Why is Getzlaf a favorite for the hart?

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When’s the last time a forward won the Hart without finishing Top 5 in points?

You could go further and ask when is the last time a forward won the Hart without finishing in the top 3. Answer : I'm still searching.

Messier won it in 1991-92 while finishing 5th tied with Robitaille, 24 points behind Wayne.


The last one to out of the top 5 would be Bobby Clarke in 74-75. Finshed 6th with 116, one above Mahovlich and 19 behind Orr.

Hull finished out of the top 3 in 64-65. Howe in 59-60 was 5th. He was also 4th in 57-58.

The other instance of a player being out of the top 5 winning would be Ted Kennedy in 54-55.

Not a common occurrence to say the least.
 
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I honestly can't see an argument against him winning it right now. Huge difference between him and the next best on his team, he's extremely consistent, he was the only consistent force on his team that went through a lot of injuries, and he plays for a top team in the league to boot.
 

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You could go further and ask when is the last time a forward won the Hart without finishing in the top 3. Answer : I'm still searching.

Messier won it in 1991-92 while finishing 5th tied with Robitaille, 24 points behind Wayne.


The last one to out of the top 5 would be Bobby Clarke in 74-75. Finshed 6th with 116, one above Mahovlich and 19 behind Orr.

Hull finished out of the top 3 in 64-65. Howe in 59-60 was 5th. He was also 4th in 57-58.

The other instance of a player being out of the top 5 winning would be Ted Kennedy in 54-55.

Not a common occurrence to say the least.

It's a weird year where 3 of the top 4 scorers as of right now aren't on playoff teams.
 

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So lately, I keep hearing about Getzlaf being the front runner for the hart trophy. A lot of discussions on forums, a recent survey conducted by TSN, and many other places - many are liking Getzlaf a lot for hart.

This isn't a Getzlaf-hate thread. I don't dislike him, he's a great player. I just literally do not understand what differentiates him from other top players this year.


As of this posting, he is 8th leading scorer in league. Low goal totals though (more assists than goals). He is +13, which isn't bad per se, but also not extraordinary among other forwards.

Is he having a good year? Sure. But what exactly makes him so much better than Crosby, Malkin, Voracek, Giroux, Kane, Backstorm, Tarasenko, just to name a few of the other top scoring "forwards" alone. This is without even looking at goalies, or defensemen.


Can someone explain?

Voracek, Giroux, and Seguin can pretty much be eliminated if they don't make the playoffs(and this is coming from a Flyers fan). That Leaves Kane, Malkin, Crosby, and Backstrom as the only players with as many, or more points than Getzlaf.

Kane is having an amazing season but his chances will be hurt by the fact that he even his own fanbase thinks he's the second most valuable player on the Hawks and he also isn't always a 200 foot player. He'll definitely get some votes and may be a finalist if he finished with 90+ points.

Crosby is putting up the points but it's widely accepted that he's not playing at his best and most Pens fans would agree that Malkin has been better this season.

Malkin has been great and very consistent but some votes may get split because he and Crosby are on the same team. It also won't help his chances if he missed any significant amount of time with this injury.

Backstrom has been great as well but he'll always be int he shadow of Ovechkin, not that it's right, it's just the way it is. When comparing the two, Getzlaf is a better two-way player, he's the captain of his team, and he also has the same amount of goals and points in 1 less game with a lot more ES points.

Tarasenko is interesting. I'm curious to see what happens if he finishes with 40+ goals and 85ish points. I think a lot of people assume he will cool down a bit at some point, but maybe not, he's looked amazing. Either way, I think he will have to pass Getzlaf in points since Getzlaf is a better two-way player and as much as it doesn't make total sense, Getzlaf is the captain and that holds some weight in how valuable you are to your team.

As for goalies, Rinne is the front runner there and if he misses a significant amount of time, that will hurt his chances. It would also be hard giving it to Price considering most people feel Rinne has been better. For a goalie to win the Hart, it usually has to be an incredible season.

The same can be said about defenseman winning the Hart, it has to be something really special. Unfortunately a lot of the voters look strictly at numbers and defenseman get bypassed. Giordano was talked about a lot early but his scoring has cooled off a bit. If he can finish with 70+ points and Calgary holds on and makes the playoffs, he will certainly gets a lot of votes. If Calgary falls out of the playoff picture, he doesn't have much of a chance. Shattenkirk is another one that will get some consideration but again, I would think he would have to finish with 70+ points to have a chance.

Getzlaf has the most ES/SH points in the NHL. He's played a significant amount of time without Perry and his other wingers have been a bunch of depth forwards stuck on the first line. He's the captain, leader, and best player of the best team in the NHL. He's a two-way player who is still a top scorer. There are a couple other guys that are in the running but I don't think there's a chance he isn't a finalist if he continues to play the way he has.
 

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Because his team is doing good despite huge injuries. Giroux is better but has voracek. Voracek has been better but has Giroux, also flyers suck so those two are eliminated. Seguin has been better, again team sucks. Crosby and Malkin have been as good as getzlaf maybe a bit better, but they have eachother.... Kane has been close but not as good overall and has had better team support.

Getzlaf
Giroux
Malkin/Crosby
Voracek
Kane

Is my order
 

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Voracek, Giroux, and Seguin can pretty much be eliminated if they don't make the playoffs(and this is coming from a Flyers fan). That Leaves Kane, Malkin, Crosby, and Backstrom as the only players with as many, or more points than Getzlaf.

Kane is having an amazing season but his chances will be hurt by the fact that he even his own fanbase thinks he's the second most valuable player on the Hawks and he also isn't always a 200 foot player. He'll definitely get some votes and may be a finalist if he finished with 90+ points.

Crosby is putting up the points but it's widely accepted that he's not playing at his best and most Pens fans would agree that Malkin has been better this season.

Malkin has been great and very consistent but some votes may get split because he and Crosby are on the same team. It also won't help his chances if he missed any significant amount of time with this injury.

Backstrom has been great as well but he'll always be int he shadow of Ovechkin, not that it's right, it's just the way it is. When comparing the two, Getzlaf is a better two-way player, he's the captain of his team, and he also has the same amount of goals and points in 1 less game with a lot more ES points.

Tarasenko is interesting. I'm curious to see what happens if he finishes with 40+ goals and 85ish points. I think a lot of people assume he will cool down a bit at some point, but maybe not, he's looked amazing. Either way, I think he will have to pass Getzlaf in points since Getzlaf is a better two-way player and as much as it doesn't make total sense, Getzlaf is the captain and that holds some weight in how valuable you are to your team.

As for goalies, Rinne is the front runner there and if he misses a significant amount of time, that will hurt his chances. It would also be hard giving it to Price considering most people feel Rinne has been better. For a goalie to win the Hart, it usually has to be an incredible season.

The same can be said about defenseman winning the Hart, it has to be something really special. Unfortunately a lot of the voters look strictly at numbers and defenseman get bypassed. Giordano was talked about a lot early but his scoring has cooled off a bit. If he can finish with 70+ points and Calgary holds on and makes the playoffs, he will certainly gets a lot of votes. If Calgary falls out of the playoff picture, he doesn't have much of a chance. Shattenkirk is another one that will get some consideration but again, I would think he would have to finish with 70+ points to have a chance.

Getzlaf has the most ES/SH points in the NHL. He's played a significant amount of time without Perry and his other wingers have been a bunch of depth forwards stuck on the first line. He's the captain, leader, and best player of the best team in the NHL. He's a two-way player who is still a top scorer. There are a couple other guys that are in the running but I don't think there's a chance he isn't a finalist if he continues to play the way he has.

100% Agreed
 

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You could go further and ask when is the last time a forward won the Hart without finishing in the top 3. Answer : I'm still searching.

Messier won it in 1991-92 while finishing 5th tied with Robitaille, 24 points behind Wayne.


The last one to out of the top 5 would be Bobby Clarke in 74-75. Finshed 6th with 116, one above Mahovlich and 19 behind Orr.

Hull finished out of the top 3 in 64-65. Howe in 59-60 was 5th. He was also 4th in 57-58.

The other instance of a player being out of the top 5 winning would be Ted Kennedy in 54-55.

Not a common occurrence to say the least.

Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look that up.
 

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He isn't outplaying guys like Voracek or Seguin, but his team is in 1st despite the injuries..whereas Dallas and Philly are outside of the playoffs. Overall team success usually plays a big factor in determining MVP candidates.
 

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His team was decimated by injuries this season and he literally carried them on his back during that time. They didn't miss a beat; they kept winning.

With all due respect, this looks like another post from a fan of the east that goes to bed before the puck drops in Anaheim. How many Ducks games have you watched this season?

This is all that needs to be said. He had like 22 points in 12 games on a line with Rene Bourque and Devante Smith Pelly, two of our most underwhelming players while Perry was injured. We wouldn't be where we are now without Getzlaf. Plain and simple. The Hart is not the Art Ross. You point to a guy with high point totals that would clearly cause a collapse of his team if they missed him before you point to a guy with more points on a historically offensively stacked team. What Getzlaf did with the team decimated with injuries is similar to what Perry did when he won the Hart.
 

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Carrying a injury plagued president's trophy challenging team on his back while in the race for the ross/selke.

That sums it up in 1 sentence. lol
 
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Because he's only slightly behind the league leaders in points while playing a very complete game and his team is in a playoff spot. Not to mention he elevated his play when we were missing Perry and Beauchemin.

Edit: Now that everybody is back he hasn't looked as dominant though. Still good but not quite the same level as before. I think by game 82 somebody else will have run away with the award. Price definitely deserves some serious consideration.
 
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So lately, I keep hearing about Getzlaf being the front runner for the hart trophy. A lot of discussions on forums, a recent survey conducted by TSN, and many other places - many are liking Getzlaf a lot for hart.

This isn't a Getzlaf-hate thread. I don't dislike him, he's a great player. I just literally do not understand what differentiates him from other top players this year.


As of this posting, he is 8th leading scorer in league. Low goal totals though (more assists than goals). He is +13, which isn't bad per se, but also not extraordinary among other forwards.

Is he having a good year? Sure. But what exactly makes him so much better than Crosby, Malkin, Voracek, Giroux, Kane, Backstorm, Tarasenko, just to name a few of the other top scoring "forwards" alone. This is without even looking at goalies, or defensemen.


Can someone explain?

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In my opinion if your team doesn't make the playoffs, you shouldn't be allowed to win the Hart. Doesn't really make sense to give it to Voracek or Seguin, with all due respect to them.
 

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In my opinion if your team doesn't make the playoffs, you shouldn't be allowed to win the Hart. Doesn't really make sense to give it to Voracek or Seguin, with all due respect to them.
Yeah. The strictest definition of the trophy is most valuable to their team but do you really want to give an award to a guy who's most valuable to a team that's out playing golf by the end of the regular season?
 

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Because he's only slightly behind the league leaders in points while playing a very complete game and his team is in a playoff spot. Not to mention he elevated his play when we were missing Perry and Beauchemin.

Edit: Now that everybody is back he hasn't looked as dominant though. Still good but not quite the same level as before. I think by game 82 somebody else will have run away with the award. Price definitely deserves some serious consideration.
I'd expect this as well. Unless Getzlaf catches on that he's in the running and catches fire again, he's gonna taper off and voters will forget about him. He stepped up when he was needed to but now that our depth is producing (Palmieri, who I wouldn't call depth has been very good behind the first line)
 
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So lately, I keep hearing about Getzlaf being the front runner for the hart trophy. A lot of discussions on forums, a recent survey conducted by TSN, and many other places - many are liking Getzlaf a lot for hart.

This isn't a Getzlaf-hate thread. I don't dislike him, he's a great player. I just literally do not understand what differentiates him from other top players this year.


As of this posting, he is 8th leading scorer in league. Low goal totals though (more assists than goals). He is +13, which isn't bad per se, but also not extraordinary among other forwards.

Is he having a good year? Sure. But what exactly makes him so much better than Crosby, Malkin, Voracek, Giroux, Kane, Backstorm, Tarasenko, just to name a few of the other top scoring "forwards" alone. This is without even looking at goalies, or defensemen.


Can someone explain?
do you watch hockey?
do you realize perry missed a bunch of games and getzlaf carried the team playing with 4th liners? not only that but he is a great player in all 3 zones.

Anaheim has the best record in the league, largely due to Getzlaf, early in the season they had a ton of injuries

the only other players even worthy of MVP talk you mentioned are Malkin and Crosby.
 

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He isn't outplaying guys like Voracek or Seguin, but his team is in 1st despite the injuries..whereas Dallas and Philly are outside of the playoffs. Overall team success usually plays a big factor in determining MVP candidates.

How can you say Seguin is outplaying Getzlaf? 3 points doesnt make up the many areas of the game that Getzlaf is far more valuable then Seguin.
 
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HanSolo

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How can you say Seguin is outplaying Getzlaf? 3 points doesnt make up the many areas of the game that Getzlaf is far more valuable then Seguin. Seguin

Indeed.

Just to name one, I'd rather have Getzlaf over Seguin if defending a lead or late penalty kill.
 

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