Why is Boston such a good organization?

[AmabileCassarole]

The Chara-Bergeron prime years easily could of been a dynasty with more cups if the league didn't have a salary cap.

Not necessarily. Look at all the teams the Rangers put out on the ice pre-cap, and they only have one cup in nearly a hundred years to show for it.

Don Sweeney is incredibly underrated by many, notwithstanding is GM of the year award last season. He is incredibly thoughtful and methodical about every single transaction. He also improves over time and learns from his mistakes. Every single contract on the roster right now is right-side up as far as cap hit. How many teams can say they don't have one bad contract?

It speaks volumes to Sweeney's talents when even after the dismal end of last season, the Bruins are chugging on with people not even remembering said end. Eventually, like their gridiron cousins, the Bruins will have to deal with decline, but until then, they'll do whatever it takes to win as much as they can. Quite a few GMs should take notes, like when NHL and NFL teams sent reps to the Spurs (NBA) to study their model.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

They don’t go hand in hand? How can you be a good organization while being unsuccessful at the very thing you are meant to be doing? Which is winning cups.

If it’s just creating a positive locker room and running things the right way, we could make this thread about a handful of others.

The Edmonton Oilers have more cups than the Bruins in the last 50 years.

You wanna argue they’re a better run organization?

Because they’re not.

 

[AvroArrow]

Having standards and culture. They're kind of run how the Spurs are. Professional, they expect excellence and a high compete level. Doesn't matter if a player is a star, if he doesn't have those core values, he'll be moved (Seguin)

They don't put players on a pedestal how a lot of organizations do, they pride themselves on who they are as a team and a franchise. They make it known that it is a privilege to be in the NHL and to put that uniform on, not a right. The players buy in to that identity and those values. I don't think they're just hitting on random late picks, their development team deserves a lot of credit. Pastrnak has evolved into being a mean player. He doesn't just score goals and make plays, he hits, he plays with an extremely high compete level and plays with guts. When he was drafted, him and Nylander were very similar style players. Fast forward a few years and you see the difference in Pasta.

I don't like the Bruins, I think they are hands down the dirtiest team in the league and have been for maybe 12 years now. I think a lot of their players are complete pieces of shit. But you gotta respect their organization and the people at the top, they know how to run it.

 

[elMatador]

one more from the past

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I'm curious - let's say you're Sweeney and in 8 months' time Chara is still performing at least close to his level from last season and he wants another year, but Vaak and Lauzon decide if that's the case they're not sticking around in a place with few opportunities and they make it clear that if Chara stays on then they're going elsewhere (admittedly easier for Lauzon as he'll be a RFA at that time).

Do you tell Chara to retire, or do you let the youngsters walk or be traded?

You don't wait 8 months. You take your prospects and spare parts now and trade them for a proven top 3 right winger or even 2 and win the freaking cup while you can. This guy has set the tone and turned around this franchise single-handedly 13 years ago. He is the definition of the identity, character and leadership of the team that is respected everywhere. Once he is done you can choose from the best talent that is out there to keep wining. Everybody wants to play for a team that knows how to win. His hockey DNA will live with those players who had the privilege to learn from him and play with him long after he is gone.

You know, once history will look back in 15 or 20 years what will be the only question that will be asked ? How come Bruins with so many amazing players in their prime like Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand didn't win the cup more than once.

or

You can choose an immature players who ask you for a ransom money for their point production at the first opportunity. What has a team like Leafs to show for over last 50 year? Nothing.

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[Hockey4Lyfe]

The Edmonton Oilers have more cups than the Bruins in the last 50 years.

You wanna argue they’re a better run organization?

Because they’re not.

No I wouldn’t argue that. But they are better at doing what actually matters which is win.

People trying jump in the middle of all of this when my points were captured many pages before is amusing to me.

 

[Garbageyuk]

An owner that cares about winning in addition to profit/revenue. He also knows how to find the right people to run things, and when to cut ties when it’s needed.

 

[Terry Yake]

good drafting and player development. also, a winning culture and "championship or bust" mentality. it all started with the chara signing

the bruins were a tire fire in the 90s and early 00s

 

[KillerMillerTime]

What the hell are you talking about? That isn’t an opinion. The Bruins have not been good at actually winning cups the past 50 years.

How is that an opinion and not fact?

The thread title reads "WHY IS BOSTON SUCH A GOOD ORGANIZATION".

It doesn't say " THE BRUINS ARENT GOOD AT WINNING CUPS"

 

[PaulD]

good drafting and player development. also, a winning culture and "championship or bust" mentality. it all started with the chara signing

the bruins were a tire fire in the 90s and early 00s

and a fantastic powerhouse from 70 to 94

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Jeremy jacobs and Gary bettman are partners on and off the ice

 

[jgatie]

Jeremy jacobs and Gary bettman are partners on and off the ice

There's always "that guy".

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

No I wouldn’t argue that. But they are better at doing what actually matters which is win.

People trying jump in the middle of all of this when my points were captured many pages before is amusing to me.

Thinking the Edmonton Oilers are better at winning than the Boston Bruins is amusing to me.

Never mind the Bruins literally having more Stanley Cups.

 

[DaaaaB's]

good drafting and player development. also, a winning culture and "championship or bust" mentality. it all started with the chara signing

the bruins were a tire fire in the 90s and early 00s

Tire fire seems a bit harsh considering they were pretty good in the early 90's and finished top two in the conference twice in the early '00s. Mind you they choked both those years against a 7/8 seeded Habs team. They only missed playoffs 3 times in that 15 year span so it could've been worse. Management definitely didn't have a championship or bust mentality back then though.

 

[wintersej]

The Chara-Bergeron prime years easily could of been a dynasty with more cups if the league didn't have a salary cap.

The salary cap is required to make Boston a good organization. Without it they would be so far down in spending nothing else would matter.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

The salary cap is required to make Boston a good organization. Without it they would be so far down in spending nothing else would matter.

This. Salary cap/fixed cost was JJ's hill to defend to the death.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

The thread title reads "WHY IS BOSTON SUCH A GOOD ORGANIZATION".

It doesn't say " THE BRUINS ARENT GOOD AT WINNING CUPS"

IN SOME PEOPLES EYES, BEING A GOOD ORGANIZATION MEANS ACTUALLY WINNING STANLEY CUPS

See how annoying and ridiculous you look putting stupid shit in all caps?

 

[Score08]

IN SOME PEOPLES EYES, BEING A GOOD ORGANIZATION MEANS ACTUALLY WINNING STANLEY CUPS

See how annoying and ridiculous you look putting stupid shit in all caps?

I think you’re missing the theme. It’s not about how many cups. You should maybe take a break.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

I think you’re missing the theme. It’s not about how many cups. You should maybe take a break.

It’s a forum where opinion based discussion is the theme.

If you don’t understand that then maybe it’s break time for you?

 

[Score08]

It’s a forum where opinion based discussion is the theme.

If you don’t understand that then maybe it’s break time for you?

You keep trying to validate success by cups won, that’s not what the general premise is. You seem to be taking this quite personal. Fyi the b’s have 6 cups and the oils have 5 so by your own criteria they’re a successful team.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

You keep trying to validate success by cups won, that’s not what the general premise is. You seem to be taking this quite personal. Fyi the b’s have 6 cups and the oils have 5 so by your own criteria they’re a successful team.

I don’t think either team is successful. This isn’t the 1970’s. The Bruins just aren’t successful at actually winning when it matters.

I know this is hurting some of you but the truth does hurt sometimes.

 

[Score08]

I don’t think either team is successful. This isn’t the 1970’s. The Bruins just aren’t successful at actually winning when it matters.

I know this is hurting some of you but the truth does hurt sometimes.

Okay well as a fan I’m pretty content with their success over the years. Would I like more cups, sure, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t been successful. Cups are hard to win , I’m just happy we haven’t had any 10 year plus rebuilds like many teams across the nhl have experienced. They’re in the mix every year, what more can you ask for as a fan?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Bobby Orr. Other things, but mostly Bobby.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Okay well as a fan I’m pretty content with their success over the years. Would I like more cups, sure, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t been successful. Cups are hard to win , I’m just happy we haven’t had any 10 year plus rebuilds like many teams across the nhl have experienced. They’re in the mix every year, what more can you ask for as a fan?

To win more cups. That’s it. Just win when it matters.

 

[easton117]

To win more cups. That’s it. Just win when it matters.

Think most fans would be happy their team has a shot most years. And in the years they don’t, which happens, they at least have a plan in place that seems sensible.

Boston has, for the most part, done that well. Not perfect, no team is.

I’d rather their model than say the Florida Marlins who are relevant once every two decades.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What the hell are you talking about? That isn’t an opinion. The Bruins have not been good at actually winning cups the past 50 years.

How is that an opinion and not fact?

I’m just curious what you would find more successful here:

Random team A wins two cups but is largely irrelevant otherwise in a 20 year span, missing the playoffs 12/20 years, never making it past the 1st round any other year

Random team B wins 1 Cup but is a competetibe playoff team 19/20 seasons with a couple SCF