It's been over 25 years. CBJ's futility/culture is on them at this point and while Vegas had better expansion rules - and why wouldn't the NHL want to improve on that if the rules were so poor before? - teams tripped over themselves to make bad deals to save a no.4 defensemen or middle-6 winger instead of just letting Vegas pick a guy. That's on the rest of the league. Seattle came a couple years later, pretty much just picked a guy and have largely been forgettable since they've been in the league.
Why I like the Vegas Golden Knights and you should too
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It's been over 25 years. CBJ's futility/culture is on them at this point and while Vegas had better expansion rules - and why wouldn't the NHL want to improve on that if the rules were so poor before? - teams tripped over themselves to make bad deals to save a no.4 defensemen or middle-6 winger instead of just letting Vegas pick a guy. That's on the rest of the league. Seattle came a couple years later, pretty much just picked a guy and have largely been forgettable since they've been in the league.
Managements? Nah. Winning is a bonus for some. They prioritize expense sheets over winning and/or are just holding off until they can resell for a tidy profit
Antropovsky
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I hope McCrimmon gets fired mid contract and the new Vegas prevents him from taking a new job he wants. That would be entertaining.
Leafidelity
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The draft was generational, because it was the first expansion team in 17 years
MoneyManny
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People forget that fans, players and ownerships all have a very different version of what winning means.
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The fact you like them is now a prime reason why I don't.
How you go about attempting to win is different from how much of a desire there is to win and that is a definite difference amongst team owners.
An exampme, Corporate owners tend to be all about the $. Winning- they'll attempt but likely half-asseed
That doesn't mean anything though.
It's not as if there was a plethora of spare parts who were bonafide NHL players for them to pluck from teams
Jag68Sid87
He's gone, gone gone!
It has been proven time and time again that you CAN win in this league without being grade-A assholes.
I guess Bill Foley never got the memo.
How did they help them?
I see this excuse all the time but no one ever elaborates on it- and I think we both know why.
Golden_Jet
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By giving them the best expansion draft ever,How did they help them?
I see this excuse all the time but no one ever elaborates on it- and I think we both know why.
The other teams got to protect less players than any previous expansion draft in league history. It’s not like it’s hard to figure out how, no need to overthink it.
MoneyManny
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Vegas acts like grade-A assholes to their employees but they treat their fans like kings. I really don't care whether or not their management likes to break the little hearts of these poor millionnaires, they all seem to want to play there anyway.
Shea Theodore, William Karlsson, Reilly Smith, Jonathan Marchessault, Alex Tuch, MAF are all players they were paid to take by idiot teams. Blame the field for how good they were right off the bat.
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Sure but the that doesn’t change the fact that teams got to protect less players than in any other expansion draft in history.
Viqsi
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I'll be prepared to forgive it when we no longer take epic piles of shit for the crime of daring to have started our existence with both hands and feet tied behind our backs. Minnesota and Atlanta and Nashville were fortunate to get decent recommendations for their team presidents. We went to the NHL for advice on the front office and were pointed at Doug MacLean, who then decided he'd also make a good GM (and eventually also a good head coach - yes, he held all three positions simultaneously for much of two seasons). We were arguably set up to fail, and have since had a series of mishaps and bad luck up to and including multiple deaths of players in their prime, toa degree that no other NHL franchise before or since has ever seen the likes of. Is it any wonder we still have yet to recover?
Yes, there's f***ups we have to own - MacLean being allowed to last as long as he did was an early one, and Babcock was a more recent one, to name two examples. But we catch a lot of disdain and scorn for all of it, not just the parts we actually did to ourselves. Vegas doesn't even know the meaning of hardship and they've been throwing stones along with the rest; let them carry a bit of the burden. We've got far more than our fair share and they've got f***-all in that regard, so they can afford to take it.
The Duck Knight
Henry, you're our only hope!
More importantly which human being on Earth picked Vegas to even make the playoffs between the draft and the start of their first season? Because I have yet to find one.
The Duck Knight
Henry, you're our only hope!
You have this backwards. They treat their players like kings and their fans like shit. That's why all the players want to play there and why the season ticket base has dwindled since the Cup win.
What jas he done to be an asshole?
I haven't heard ang anecdotes about him particularly so my curiosity is now piqued
To that point I can recsll quite a few of the players having played above expectations and being a pleasant surprise for the team thst initial season such as William Karlsson
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