Why I like the Vegas Golden Knights and you should too

[Brain Crush]

No it was both, Vegas was given the best expansion rules to date in NHL history.

So what? Who was saved by rivals teams that was so enticing? Seattle got great rules too and did nothing with them because like you said, rivals learned their lesson.

Resentment at VGK for expansion rules is for the birds.

 

[Gnashville]

Vegas did it the right way by convincing other teams to hand them good players. All of their best players came in deals that other teams agreed to. For all the crying from Jackets fans, expansion rules in 2000 didn't make them hand over William Karlsson to Vegas. They did that all by themselves. Same with the litany of good players they got right off the bat.

1998 NHL Expansion Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

A sortable list of players drafted in the 1998 NHL Expansion draft, including their career scoring after being drafted

www.hockeydb.com

Here is my team’s expansion draft tell me who you think NHL GM’s wanted in a trade?

 

[Golden_Jet]

1998 NHL Expansion Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

A sortable list of players drafted in the 1998 NHL Expansion draft, including their career scoring after being drafted

www.hockeydb.com

Here is my team’s expansion draft tell me who you think NHL GM’s wanted in a trade?

Or this one, with Ottawa and Tampa’s selections.

 

[KingsFan7824]

To people crying about expansion rules, Vegas was the first cap expansion team. So, yeah, those rules will have to be somewhat different than what teams had in the early 90's/00's. It was every franchise for itself back then. The league, to their utmost ability, screwed over the former WHA franchises(this is pre-Bettman, with some of those teams in Canada) it absorbed in the 80's. Look what the league did with the merger between the North Stars and Barons.

Vegas has no history, so we'll see what happens as time goes on. Right now, they can be the cutthroats of the league. Eventually, when they have a down period, because nothing has, does, or will last forever, then you'll see them become a more normal franchise. Then, nostalgia starts kicking in. Then, names on the back start meaning a little more. There's a reason they're pretty much the only example of how a team should be run.

One team can do it. Maybe two. If more and more teams started doing it? Guess who would have a problem with it? The PA.

If it's just about winning, Vegas won 3 years ago. In 2 of the 3, they didn't come close. This year, a little embarrassed by Carolina. They couldn't hold a 4 goal 3rd period lead at home. A shot away from losing in 5, since after that game, the Canes owned the series.

 

[Jetabre]

Didn't convince me, sorry.

 

[Voight]

I think they're over hated. People may not like how they do business you can't deny that it works.

Pietrangelo and Marner were two of the biggest free agents of the cap era and they signed both, this was after players knew they were only loyal to you for so long. Eichel was available to most of the league and they gave the best offer while being OK with a. surgery that had never been done on an NHL player before. That took a lot of risk.

 

[PistolPete]

There's absolutely things I like about Vegas. I think player loyalty is a ridiculous concept. Not trading a player to improve your team just because they put in years of service? Totally a modern concept. NHL GMs in the past used to move guys when they got too old or stopped performing regardless of past Cups won. Vegas being cutthroat isn't a bad thing to me.

I'm cool with a new market having early success instead of being in the dumps for decades.

I think my biggest issue with Vegas is their embarassing pre show before puck drop. We once ridiculed the Ottawa Senators for years for having one fake gladiator guy do an intro. Vegas does something worse every playoff game. Watching those playoff games were so silly with the dragon and the knights.

Also dropping "Las" in Las Vegas. What should we call them the Angeles Kings now? The Bay Lightning?

I don't mind the pre-ahows, demonstrates an understanding that they get it thst they're in the entertainment business.

While people don't call LA "Angeles" they do call Las Vegas "Vegas" so I don't see anything unusual about that.

 

[Bolduc of Hazzard]

I don't mind the pre-ahows, demonstrates an understanding that they get it thst they're in the entertainment business.

They should be in the "good entertainment" business instead.

 

[PistolPete]

They should be in the "good entertainment" business instead.

They are. It's called hockey, man!

 

[TheBeard]

So what? Who was saved by rivals teams that was so enticing? Seattle got great rules too and did nothing with them because like you said, rivals learned their lesson.

Resentment at VGK for expansion rules is for the birds.

Teams only had 11 months to prepare for the Vegas expansion meaning all the kids they'd called or signed to ELCs had to be protected and there was nothing they could have done about the NMCs they'd handed out long before expansion was a thought. Teams had 3 years to prepare for Seattle expansion which meant knowing how to slow play prospects and outright refusing to sign ELCs until July 2021 to the point where they didn't need protection and being very stingy on NMCs (there were 66 NMCs when Vegas drafted vs 52 for Seattle -14 additional players that HAD to be protected whether or not they were producing).

 

[The Duck Knight]

Teams only had 11 months to prepare for the Vegas expansion meaning all the kids they'd called or signed to ELCs had to be protected and there was nothing they could have done about the NMCs they'd handed out long before expansion was a thought. Teams had 3 years to prepare for Seattle expansion which meant knowing how to slow play prospects and outright refusing to sign ELCs until July 2021 to the point where they didn't need protection and being very stingy on NMCs (there were 66 NMCs when Vegas drafted vs 52 for Seattle -14 additional players that HAD to be protected whether or not they were producing).

Not true. Everyone on an ELC was exempt.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Reads like a science fair project or book report. Very adorable

 

[PistolPete]

Teams only had 11 months to prepare for the Vegas expansion meaning all the kids they'd called or signed to ELCs had to be protected and there was nothing they could have done about the NMCs they'd handed out long before expansion was a thought. Teams had 3 years to prepare for Seattle expansion which meant knowing how to slow play prospects and outright refusing to sign ELCs until July 2021 to the point where they didn't need protection and being very stingy on NMCs (there were 66 NMCs when Vegas drafted vs 52 for Seattle -14 additional players that HAD to be protected whether or not they were producing).

Only had 11 months to.prepare? ONLY?!

 

[Gnashville]

To people crying about expansion rules, Vegas was the first cap expansion team. So, yeah, those rules will have to be somewhat different than what teams had in the early 90's/00's. It was every franchise for itself back then. The league, to their utmost ability, screwed over the former WHA franchises(this is pre-Bettman, with some of those teams in Canada) it absorbed in the 80's. Look what the league did with the merger between the North Stars and Barons.

Vegas has no history, so we'll see what happens as time goes on. Right now, they can be the cutthroats of the league. Eventually, when they have a down period, because nothing has, does, or will last forever, then you'll see them become a more normal franchise. Then, nostalgia starts kicking in. Then, names on the back start meaning a little more. There's a reason they're pretty much the only example of how a team should be run.

One team can do it. Maybe two. If more and more teams started doing it? Guess who would have a problem with it? The PA.

If it's just about winning, Vegas won 3 years ago. In 2 of the 3, they didn't come close. This year, a little embarrassed by Carolina. They couldn't hold a 4 goal 3rd period lead at home. A shot away from losing in 5, since after that game, the Canes owned the series.

Since there was no cap why was teams allowed to protect anyone at all when the four team expansion happened?

 

[Mubiki]

So what? Who was saved by rivals teams that was so enticing? Seattle got great rules too and did nothing with them because like you said, rivals learned their lesson.

Resentment at VGK for expansion rules is for the birds.

Sorry, but comparing Seattle is nonsense and demonstrates that you clearly do not understand the differences.

The rules for Vegas were drastically changed from the previous expansions, and teams only got ONE YEAR to prepare for it. The advantage that Vegas had is that multiple teams had contracts that became retroactively toxic with absolutely zero warning or ability to protect themselves. Not only did teams have 3 times as long to prepare for Seattle, but there was no surprise in which contracts they needed to be careful of because the new precedence had been set before 99% of the current contracts in the league were signed.


Not understanding the massive differences and making ignorant comments like they don't exist is for the birds.

 

[TheBeard]

Only had 11 months to.prepare? ONLY?!

Well when you hand out NMCs and had prospects playing on their ELCs in the year prior it’s really not a lot of time. You can’t just magically rescind contracts.

 

[PistolPete]

Sorry, but comparing Seattle is nonsense and demonstrates that you clearly do not understand the differences.

The rules for Vegas were drastically changed from the previous expansions, and teams only got ONE YEAR to prepare for it. The advantage that Vegas had is that multiple teams had contracts that became retroactively toxic with absolutely zero warning or ability to protect themselves. Not only did teams have 3 times as long to prepare for Seattle, but there was no surprise in which contracts they needed to be careful of because the new precedence had been set before 99% of the current contracts in the league were signed.


Not understanding the massive differences and making ignorant comments like they don't exist is for the birds.

Nah.

Not buying this.

Only one year to prepare? ONLY one year?

You reaching for an excuse to hate on Vegas?

 

[PistolPete]

Well when you hand out NMCs and had prospects playing on their ELCs in the year prior it’s really not a lot of time. You can’t just magically rescind contracts.

It's not as though every ELC is a future superstar.

And someone mentioned all ELC were exempt.

 

[TheBeard]

Not true. Everyone on an ELC was exempt.

Only first and second year. Anyone with 3 professional seasons under their belt werent

 

[PistolPete]

Only first and second year. Anyone with 3 professional seasons under their belt werent

So no different than any previous expansion draft.

 

[Mubiki]

Nah.

Not buying this.

Only one year to prepare? ONLY one year?

You reaching for an excuse to hate on Vegas?

I'm actually not sure in which way you are wrong here.

Are you denying that they only had one year to prepare, or are you suggesting one year is plenty long enough?

The first interpretation is objectively wrong, and the second is wrong because it's utterly foolish. Do you mind telling me which you meant so I can better understand the manner in which you are wrong?

 

[PistolPete]

I'm actually not sure in which way you are wrong here.

Are you denying that they only had one year to prepare, or are you suggesting one year is plenty long enough?

The first interpretation is objectively wrong, and the second is wrong because it's utterly foolish. Do you mind telling me which you meant so I can better understand the manner in which you are wrong?

One year is ample time.

And many expansion drafts were of that nature. In '93 they had 6 months IIRC.

In the 70s there were three expansion drafts in five years.

In 1979, they had maybe three months.

 

[TheBeard]

So no different than any previous expansion draft.

Sure except teams weren’t really worried as much back then because of how many they could keep.

 

[PistolPete]

Sure except teams weren’t really worried as much back then because of how many they could keep.

But not as if all the ELC players are superstars in waiting.

A look at the available players in the 2017 draft, doesn't induce a "Holy shit! Look at all the amazing players available" kind if response

 

[Brain Crush]

Sorry, but comparing Seattle is nonsense and demonstrates that you clearly do not understand the differences.

The rules for Vegas were drastically changed from the previous expansions, and teams only got ONE YEAR to prepare for it. The advantage that Vegas had is that multiple teams had contracts that became retroactively toxic with absolutely zero warning or ability to protect themselves. Not only did teams have 3 times as long to prepare for Seattle, but there was no surprise in which contracts they needed to be careful of because the new precedence had been set before 99% of the current contracts in the league were signed.


Not understanding the massive differences and making ignorant comments like they don't exist is for the birds.

ONLY ONE WHOLE YEAR? WOAHHH