Weren't kids at hitting at like U9 in Lindros's day? Most of the push now is to delay hitting as long as possible, usually right before players are stepping into Juniors. You're gonna see more McDavids, less Lindroses accordingly.
I always remember Buff going into the corner with Pronger in 2010 Cup finals and absolutely destroying him. He threw Pronger into the boards like a ragdoll.
I appreciate your effort to sway. I don't love or hate Eric. My assessment has nothing to do with the Nords or the mess that was the trade.This is ridiculous. Eric Lindros without hockey IQ was Brett Lindros. You can't say that a guy who is top 10 all time fastest to 600 points isn't high IQ.
Fastest to reach milestones from 100 points to 2000 points
Did this project (with some help) a while back on another forum to collect the complete lists of players reaching 100 point, 200 point etc. milestones while being atleast PPG pace at the milestone. Former NHL records are indicated by * and the date (day.month.year) when the milestone was...forums.hfboards.com
Look at the HF thread above. The stories and myths are absurd because his peak was absurd (albeit short). Lindros collecting points while playing the way he did in his first 500 or so NHL games while never being fully healthy was just nuts. That being said, there's a bunch of guys who were the same and are on that list even though they too were never at 100% health (ie: Crosby, Lemieux, Orr etc.) so maybe that's just par for the course.
Based on your Jagr mention, Jagr begins to surge past Lindros at around the 800 point mark due to him maintaining a high calibre of play throughout his career and the unreal longevity/health/fitness he had in his late career.
Lindros real accomplishments cement him up there as one of the best to ever play the game. That's objective. There's no myth to that. It's not projections.
Lindros wasn't just a big boy in a first overall package. He had even more. Top 5 strength for all guys who have ever played the game. Top 5 meanness and nastiness than all guys who have ever played the game without being considered a head hunter or lunatic that liked hurting people.
Byfuglien's physical dominance mention was a good one. Big Buff is the last guy in recent memory that was big and strong enough to occasionally go around rag dolling multiple people like Lindros did. But he didn't have the same mean streak and hockey skill set as Lindros.
Pronger IIRC is up there for dominating skills, size and mean streak. But I don't recall Pronger having the same strength as Buff and Lindros to rag doll dudes in the same way. I remember when I was younger thinking that Eric's stick mechanics looked weird. I double checked the other night and it's just weird to see some of his shots look like they have baseball or tennis swing mechanics mixed in. The strength was unreal.
As mentioned by another poster, few shed tears when his career ended. He was an absolute monster plain and simple. Reread the comments and many previous threads. Lots of the descriptions of Eric Lindros aren't celebrations of his dominance. It's more like campfire stories of a monstrous beast unleashed upon the league that terrorized their favourite teams and players. There's certainly a lot of intrigue as time goes on, but honestly speaking, I think most non-Flyer fans that remember him are kinda glad he's gone and another has not shown up and may never show up.
Totally agree. I can 100% say the hype around Lindros was greater than anyone I have ever seen in my life. I'm not old enough to remember Gretzky coming into the league....and probably old enough for Lemieux, but coverage different then vs. now.
Agreed....not the greatest video....but I will say, the 5-10 seconds starting at 1:10 I believe is one of my favourite hockey hits moments.
Watched every year of Lindros' career. He was a top 5 player in his prime, unique package, high IQ yes, but not even in the building of Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux or McDavid.This is ridiculous. Eric Lindros without hockey IQ was Brett Lindros. You can't say that a guy who is top 10 all time fastest to 600 points isn't high IQ.
Fastest to reach milestones from 100 points to 2000 points
Did this project (with some help) a while back on another forum to collect the complete lists of players reaching 100 point, 200 point etc. milestones while being atleast PPG pace at the milestone. Former NHL records are indicated by * and the date (day.month.year) when the milestone was...
Look at the HF thread above. The stories and myths are absurd because his peak was absurd (albeit short). Lindros collecting points while playing the way he did in his first 500 or so NHL games while never being fully healthy was just nuts. That being said, there's a bunch of guys who were the same and are on that list even though they too were never at 100% health (ie: Crosby, Lemieux, Orr etc.) so maybe that's just par for the course.
Based on your Jagr mention, Jagr begins to surge past Lindros at around the 800 point mark due to him maintaining a high calibre of play throughout his career and the unreal longevity/health/fitness he had in his late career.
Lindros real accomplishments cement him up there as one of the best to ever play the game. That's objective. There's no myth to that. It's not projections.
Lindros wasn't just a big boy in a first overall package. He had even more. Top 5 strength for all guys who have ever played the game. Top 5 meanness and nastiness than all guys who have ever played the game without being considered a head hunter or lunatic that liked hurting people.
Byfuglien's physical dominance mention was a good one. Big Buff is the last guy in recent memory that was big and strong enough to occasionally go around rag dolling multiple people like Lindros did. But he didn't have the same mean streak and hockey skill set as Lindros.
Pronger IIRC is up there for dominating skills, size and mean streak. But I don't recall Pronger having the same strength as Buff and Lindros to rag doll dudes in the same way. I remember when I was younger thinking that Eric's stick mechanics looked weird. I double checked the other night and it's just weird to see some of his shots look like they have baseball or tennis swing mechanics mixed in. The strength was unreal.
As mentioned by another poster, few shed tears when his career ended. He was an absolute monster plain and simple. Reread the comments and many previous threads. Lots of the descriptions of Eric Lindros aren't celebrations of his dominance. It's more like campfire stories of a monstrous beast unleashed upon the league that terrorized their favourite teams and players. There's certainly a lot of intrigue as time goes on, but honestly speaking, I think most non-Flyer fans that remember him are kinda glad he's gone and another has not shown up and may never show up.
Malkin was a lot like Jagr where they used their physicality to protect the puck, but never were a bully. Draisaitl is similar in the way to these two players, but I admit he has a bit of a mean streak to his game.
Brady is a good shout, but how MacKinnon plays by having a bulldog mentality and destroying dudes 1v1 is very Lindros-esque, however, he clearly doesn't have the physical acclaim as Eric had.
Jagr is generational lol. Nobody finishes in the top 3 scoring of all time and is not generational.
If Lindros was in today's NHL, he would be up there with McDavid, MacKinnon, and Kucherov for Hart/Art Ross easily.
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lol. He wasn’t even that caliber when he played. Everyone one of those players mentioned won at least one scoring title. Lindros has zero Art Ross and 3 top tens. He tied Jagr once but never competed with Mario, Gretzky, or Jagr for much of anything.
