I already told you my rationale. Quality over quantity. At least Luongo had some dominant years for his position. Weiss was mediocre for pretty much his entire time here. His points just added up.
Why haven't the Panthers retired Bure's number?
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I already told you my rationale. Quality over quantity. At least Luongo had some dominant years for his position. Weiss was mediocre for pretty much his entire time here. His points just added up.
EnforceTheLaus
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That's not my response! It's the "make believe new players response" someone is the thread started
"Sorry (new player), but you can't wear number 10 here because Pavel Bure played here a little over three seasons."
His response: "WOW the Russian rocket?!?! He's a legend!!"
His Next response: "who the hell is mellenby, beezer, and skrudland?!"
This is what you wrote and i told you about Beezer. Do you even know NHL/Panthers history?
^^
I was quoting this guy's hypothetical situation. Reading comprehension for the win. I loved beezer and mellenby.
But Beezer stock went way down after his racist tirade on Trevor daly.
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austropanther
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I guess Lou would hang in the rafters before Bure... although retiring the number 1 would seem strange
adam graves
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I'll say this about bure.. In my 20 yrs of being a sth, it's the 4 yrs I felt I got most value, 2012 run aside.
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That's simply not true. I know for a fact that he used to have his girlfriend bake cookies for the rest of the team. You can't put a price on that.
As good as Bure was, he wasn't here long enough to get his number retired by this team. He had two upper 50 goal scoring seasons here. The other two seasons did not reach those levels. You don't retire someone's number for that. I think he is one of the greatest goal scorers of all time and I loved watching him play. But he wasn't here long enough to get his number retired.
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The first number (excluding Torrey's #93) retired by this franchise will set the tone for the future. If Bure, a guy who played here for 3.5 years is the example, where do you draw the line from there on?
Regardless of the player's stature, 3.5 years is nowhere even close to being worthy of hanging in the rafters. Next thing you know, we'll be retiring Jagr's number too..
- 15 years for a solid, but not a franchise level player
- 10 years for a franchise player
- 8 years for a key member of a SC winning team (more than likely Conn Smythe winner as well), but the number won't be retired until 10-20 years after he's retired
Regardless of the player's stature, 3.5 years is nowhere even close to being worthy of hanging in the rafters. Next thing you know, we'll be retiring Jagr's number too..
Absolutely. I think he's going to retire around 2020, so that would put him at 11.5 seasons as a Panther. Leading all goaltender statistics available, face of the franchise, involved in the community, etc. There's no doubt #1 is going up there once his career is over.
I would put it at:
- 15 years for a solid, but not a franchise level player
- 10 years for a franchise player
- 8 years for a key member of a SC winning team (more than likely Conn Smythe winner as well), but the number won't be retired until 10-20 years after he's retired
With the way it ended, no. I'd count him in my "15 years" category.
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what about luongo? There is no one more deserving. The amount of nights he was the only one to show up on our team.
Yes he is the only one even close to be had in a discussion in my opinion. 3,5 years of Bure and his #10 in the rafters? Thats busch league. P.Karyia did the same for Ducks and he played there a long time and his # aint even in the rafters.
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Gentle Man
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We also have to remember that it's up two the owners and Viola and Cifu have no connection to Beezer and Mellanby. Luongo should be the only one in discussion or else we risk setting the standard to low.
In the future Barkov and Ekblad are strong candidates if they keep improving and stay here for the long run.
Gentle Man
09/12
Umm they just had that game where they honored Beezer for being inducted into the Florida sports hall of fame?
Thats a connection right there and should be enough to warrant a jersey retirement.
He doesnt get into that if he doesnt play for the Panthers. Plain and simple.
We will run out of # in 20 years if this would be the standard. If you look how often a jersey gets retired in NA sports you would easily find this thread ridicolous except for the discussion of Luongo in the future if he stays fit and play well for the next 3 years.
Look at Detroit: Fedorov is a beast of a player better then Bure still not in the rafters.
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Beezer, 5 seasons, nope.
Mellanby, 7.5 seasons, nope.
Svehla, 7 seasons, nope.
If management wants to acknowledge these players (+ a few others, Laus, Bure, Jovo, etc.), they can hold a tribute night like the Flyers have done this season to Timonen, Gagne and Briere.
Of the current Panthers, Kuli would be my darkhorse. Note: not saying that there aren't others that are worthy, just that he's already in his 7th season with the team (still ways to go to 15 though), DT stuck with him through the difficult years, we have the money to pay him in 2017 and the team is trending upwards. Obviously guys like Ekblad and Barkov are the obvious choices, but Kuli will reach the criteria faster if he remains with the team for another 7-8 years.
Gentle Man
09/12
No, buts its everything he did for the organization. His impact went beyond the ice.
Not to mention he is part of the us hockey hall of fame. He isnt a scrub.
Do you think C.Osgood, N.Kronwall and H.Zetterberg should have there jerseys in the rafters at joe louis arena? Or C.Neil and C.Phillips in Ottawa?
To me players like Kulikov are plugs easily forgotten. In my opinion he would need 20 years as a Panthers with his current play to even belong in the discussion.
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SoupyFIN
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It's not easy to compare to a team like Detroit, but yes, I think 15 years with the same team is enough to warrant a jersey retirement. That's commitment to the team and the community around it.
And Kuli is no plug by any means.
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Eh guys like Beezer and Mellanby can't be weighted simply in years. Those are original Panthers, Mellanby scored the first goal, Rat Trick etc. Beezer is arguably our most iconic player and our first "star" player.
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