Why doesn't the NHL allow teams to dress up to 23 players?

Dr Robot

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I could see a hybrid method working. You are allowed to declare a roster of 23 players before the game but can only dress/active 18. But the difference being you are allowed to swap active players between periods. If someone gets injured it’s an easy way to sub players in without jamming the bench. Game misconducts still count against the dress list.
 

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You can't cut 4 players out of the lineup. I hate to use the old" have you played at all"? A couple injuries a fight or a misconduct and now you have guys sucking wind and susceptible to injuries. You know.... the guys you want to watch.

Of course you can. Pro hockey was played with 3 lines for a very long time, and the great majority of hockey at the amateur level is played with 2-3 lines.

Do guys get tired when players are forced out of the lineup? Yes they do. No different than a basketball game when the bench gets short. These guys play 6-period games in the playoffs, they’re fine. If they can’t hack it, much like the dynamics in a playoff overtime, the weak links will show in the later stages of the game when guys start getting posterized by their better conditioned opponents.

As dumb as expanding the skaters to 23/24 is.... cutting it down to 16 so a guy can watch McJesus and Pigman and McKinnon play 32 min a night is a horrific idea.

It would be more like 25, with longer shifts, and they’d need to manage their shifts accordingly. Again, star NHL players did this for decades and lived to talk about it. It just means they spend a little more time gliding and waiting for the opportune moment to turn on the jets and torch a guy who’s gotten winded. Watch a game with Guy Lafleur to see what I mean.

I guarantee that paying crowds would rather see 8 more minutes of Connor McDavid than 8 minutes of Joakim Ryan. This is an entertainment industry, not a scientific experiment to see how we can maintain the fastest speed of play.
 
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What if the NHL allowed the entire team on the ice during a powerplay? The defending team can have both their goalies in the net

what if teams were allowed as many players as they wanted but only got to use 18 skater uniforms and 2 Goalie uniforms in any given game

then it's up to them to put as many players as they can in the lineup while avoiding violating public indecency laws
 
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Sigh...... you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink it.,

Cut the dressed players to 16. All of a sudden 2 D get hurt, someone gets in a fight. So down to 8 - 4 -2. If the other team I try to punish your best players with their tongues sticking out, every chance I get. Hit to hurt. Doesn't matter if they are winning by three goals. They want Hughes and Hronek buried. Every chance they get.

It's not NBA. It's a physical sport. And like the union would allow it? And as a fan that pays to go to games it might be the most asinine idea I've read on here. The dude who suggested 24 man lineups is puzzled. 16 man lineups is just .......wow🤔
 
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I can tell who has never played hockey in this thread lol.

Get rid of the 4th line. Have mcdavid playing 30 minutes a night!

Yeah, he'd be so fun to watch being worn out every single game you watch him play lol.
 

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Sigh...... you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink it.,

Cut the dressed players to 16. All of a sudden 2 D get hurt, someone gets in a fight. So down to 8 - 4 -2. If the other team I try to punish your best players with their tongues sticking out, every chance I get. Hit to hurt. Doesn't matter if they are winning by three goals. They want Hughes and Hronek buried. Every chance they get.

It's not NBA. It's a physical sport. And like the union would allow it? And as a fan that pays to go to games it might be the most asinine idea I've read on here. The dude who suggested 24 man lineups is puzzled. 16 man lineups is just .......wow🤔

Subtweeting isn’t cool.

This dynamic exists every night already. A couple of guys get tossed, a couple head to the trainer’s room… do you see opponents suddenly start throwing wild hits at the top remaining players? Of course not, it’s a foolish way to play the game on several levels. Just because a guy is double-shifting doesn’t mean he can’t expose a dummy who’s headhunting instead of playing defense.

Besides, we already know what the NHL looked like with smaller rosters, and yes the players were able to survive it just fine. The number of skaters was 16 up until 1972 and 17 until 1982 — and at that, the 17th/18th roster spots were typically reserved for specialists (including enforcers) up until about 2005, so the concept of 18 guys all playing a significant amount of straight-up hockey is really a feature of the current era. Nothing about the NHL 20-50 years ago suggests the players were in some sort of danger from being too tired.

In any case, you’re missing the point that reducing the number of rostered players has the effect of slowing the game down. Right now the philosophy is to have everyone going top speed all the time, which is not per se a benefit to the game. Speed is why you have so much force in the collisions, and why there's so little time and space to see those collisions coming. Slowing things down has the effect of creating space between players, which means collisions are more easily avoided, and less devastating when they do happen. It also means the east-west game becomes more of a factor, that offense can develop more organically and opportunistically. The current game heavily emphasizes north-south skating where the best play is often to just put the puck into empty space or on net and try to beat the defense to it. We’ve lost a lot of the slower-developing stickhandling and skating that were of a big part of what made hockey so beautiful prior to the advent of short-shifting, in favor of everything operating in straight lines.

This is easy to see in lower levels of hockey. We say it all the time about prospects who hold the puck and make highlight plays, “he’d get killed trying to do that in the NHL” because we are used to the idea that an NHL player can only have the puck for about a second before he gets buried. Again, this is not a per se benefit to the game.

I’m not sure what “as a fan who pays to go to games” is supposed to signify. Do you think the rest of us don’t?

I can tell who has never played hockey in this thread lol.

Get rid of the 4th line. Have mcdavid playing 30 minutes a night!

Yeah, he'd be so fun to watch being worn out every single game you watch him play lol.

I’ve played plenty of hockey, thanks.

McDavid would be insanely fun to watch in a slower-moving, more aerobic-intensive environment. The reason for that is obvious — instead of everyone sprinting constantly and him trying to be the fastest of the bunch, he would be up against guys who are managing their shifts and trying to anticipate when they need to sprint with him. Sooner or later, he catches one of those guys flat footed and it’s a highlight play. That doesn’t necessarily even need to entail a large increase in his playing time — taking his share of the 4th line’s shifts, probably something like a raise from 22 minutes to 25. A forward shouldn’t be skating 30 minutes a night even when there are 3 lines.
 
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As dumb as expanding the skaters to 23/24 is.... cutting it down to 16 so a guy can watch McJesus and Pigman and McKinnon play 32 min a night is a horrific idea.
Easy solution... expand to 24 skaters but make the games twice as long. Best of both worlds, everyone wins.
 

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Not a lot of interest in the in-game roster expansion.

As for reductions, the NHL once had a lot less speed in it and I don't think we'd like the product stripped of today's speed, which really ramped up after the 2005 lockout. Reduce the number of dressed players, and I think the product suffers. I'm a nostalgia guy, for the most part, but the speed aspect of the game is better today. Slow as molasses is not my favorite brand of hockey any longer.

Stars already eat up as much ice time as they can handle. Tell star forwards to play as much as the league's ice time leaders among defensemen today (27-29 minutes per night) and you'll see forwards who pick their spots and coast like a veteran D as well. It will kill forechecking, hitting, and probably turn the game into a far more strategic, passing-oriented spectacle, played on the periphery with far fewer changes in possession.

Beware the unintended consequences, I'd say. Fourth lines that spell the stars create the conditions for fresher superstars who are more likely to carry out those sublime plays that people pay to see.
 

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You can't cut 4 players out of the lineup. I hate to use the old" have you played at all"? A couple injuries a fight or a misconduct and now you have guys sucking wind and susceptible to injuries. You know.... the guys you want to watch.

As dumb as expanding the skaters to 23/24 is.... cutting it down to 16 so a guy can watch McJesus and Pigman and McKinnon play 32 min a night is a horrific idea.
Who is Pigman? Captain Pantless?
 

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I mean you could also have PP specialist where their only job is to score, there is a lot of talent in the world now it would be good for the league to have them play.
I'm sure the star players who are good enough to play in all situations would LOVE to have their PP time cut.

The roster size is based on how quickly players recover physically and how much icetime they can handle. If your top line can handle 22 minutes per night - do you think that increasing the roster size adding more players will enable the team to play them less? Of course not, because a team's "5th line" (or 4th d-pair) would be significantly worse, and any ice-time they get at the detriment of the others decreases the team's chance to win.

Players who get more icetime than they can handle make mistakes, and mistakes potentially turn into scoring chances. Personally, I like scoring chances and not "perfectly coached hockey" where a team is waiting for their opponent to make a mistake to generate a chance.
 

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Because McDavid and Kucherov would be better rester and more effective
This is completely not true. When the talent differential between a teams best and 12th forward is astronomical - the best forward is going to be on the ice as much as he can handle to give his team the best chance to win the game.

If what you said is true - McD and Kuch would average 18 minutes per night and give that extra icetime to the 4th line, who absolutely can physically handle more minutes than they currently play.
 

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In international hockey and in European leagues you can dress 20 skaters and 2 goalies. Some coaches dress 13 F and 7 D and some dress 12 F and 8 D for four complete units.

Not saying the NHL should adopt that, just that the 18+2 is not a universal rule in all of hockey.
 
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In international hockey and in European leagues you can dress 20 skaters and 2 goalies. Some coaches dress 13 F and 7 D and some dress 12 F and 8 D for four complete units.

Not saying the NHL should adopt that, just that the 18+2 is not a universal rule in all of hockey.
Also bigger ice surface, except Finland which is hybrid
 

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You would just be adding another 3 players on the bench that will barely play, if at all. Teams are always going to default as much as they can to their best players to try and win the game. They are not going to play two extra 4th liners more minutes and take those minutes away from their best players to do that. Maybe they will in some cases if it's a blowout, but not in general.
 
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