Why does the IIHF force losing players to stand around after games?
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ebis
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Bingo.
This is all a matter of perspective. In Canada (as well as Russia), we have such high expectations from our hockey teams that we lose sight of the fact that other nations don't have gold as their tournament goal. Denmark didn't enter this tournament thinking "We want the Gold!". Their goal might not even have been a medal but a decent placing. But because Canadians have grown up with a Gold or bust mentality, they think that's how it is for everyone. I think anyone that can't understand this concept has a real lack of awareness.
You seem to not get a lot of things.
Perhaps you don't watch as much hockey as I do. I have multiple times heard people say they regret not winning the bronze. The Canadian team in regards to losing the Bronze to Finland at the Olympics were the best example, and that is pretty widely known.
As for my other point I'll try to say it again...in much simpler language for you. There is this thing called a medal table. It tracks what teams have collected in terms of medals throughout their history in this tournament. It allows for easy comparisons as to what each country has achieved. You've asked why they couldn't do that without attaching silver and bronze to the chart. Well they could, but then they'd have to remove the gold and just call it first, which sucks. It also points out the fact that first to third are better than 5th to whatever, which is true. Arbitrary perhaps, for them to stop at three, but that concept dates back several hundred years, so I don't personally have an issue with it.
I'm sure they would have preferred to win the bronze game in Nagano, but I've never seen a Canadian express true regret over the loss.
How about calling the winner the champion? Medal tables are another ridiculous notion. Some people think 1001 bronzes are better than 1000 golds.
Zine
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I don't like to think of it as winning or losing a medal, but rather earning a medal.
You don't win silver, you earn the silver medal.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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You have to win a quarter-final AND a semi-final just to guarantee yourself at least a silver.
That´s pretty much the same thing IMO. You win the final, you earn the gold medal. You lose the final, you earn the silver medal.
Anyway, I think this thread has no meaning anymore, I think players should appreciate the silver medal and there´s no point in leaving the ice immediately, if they know what sportmanship is. And I think the same about bronze.
ebis
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Why? Best 3 teams/individuals win some hardware, others don't, it's simply a tradition going back hundreds of years. And if you insist on calling it just an "arbitrary tradition", then what isn't? You could argue that every single thing about every single sport is just an arbitrary tradition.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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In pretty much every sport there is a victor, 1st place winner, champion, gold medalist, call it what you like but the fact they were the sole winner is not arbitrary.
sometimes you lose the gold , sometimes you win a silver which have taste of gold
its right - no one cares about loss so all of Can or Rus players always play for beat each other (regardless of awards and places)
DrunkUncleDenis
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Precisely. Unless of course you're, you know, better than the losing team
Pretty certain the Canadian players wouldn't very much appreciate the silver medal (especially due to all the gold-or-bust talk in the media and around here), but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the gold.
What are they supposed to do? Look back in 5 years and be proud they lost the game?
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Like any athlete with a healthy ego, I'd expect them to look back at it and be proud of the hard work and performances that got them all the way to a championship game, take the positives from that, and apply them towards future endeavours. There aren't enough trench coats and black make-up in the world for everyone.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Yeah, and I thought we were both arguing against ZeroPT about the semantics of "winning" the silver, but whatever, that's why I asked.
I agree with you, I just found it weird that you quoted my post, as I pretty much showed agreement with your opinion
SidGenoMario
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It's to rub it in the faces of the losers. I personally think the winner should be allowed to point and laugh at the losers.
do this and next WJC you receives extremely motivated opponent. By the way IT is not prohibited
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Winning the silver medal is a great achievement. True, the kids or anyone will feel pretty terrible just losing gold, but time and age gives us all perspective. Down the road they will be glad they were a part of it.
Mattilaus
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You know while we are at it, why not just eliminate medals all together. If we get rid of bronze and silver we might as well get rid of gold. What's the point in giving a medal? Winning is it's own reward! Wouldn't want to hurt the other team's feelings by getting a medal.
Oh and stop playing the anthem after the game, that's a silly tradition too and might hurt the other team's feelings.
While we're at it, lets just stop keeping score. It's an old tradition all this tracking of who loses and who wins anyways. This way nobody's feelings get hurt! In fact lets just not play!!!! Then nobody's feelings get hurt AND nobody will get physically injured!!!!
Oh and stop playing the anthem after the game, that's a silly tradition too and might hurt the other team's feelings.
While we're at it, lets just stop keeping score. It's an old tradition all this tracking of who loses and who wins anyways. This way nobody's feelings get hurt! In fact lets just not play!!!! Then nobody's feelings get hurt AND nobody will get physically injured!!!!
Islanderfan17
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The standard for Canada is much much higher than other countries, you know that. A silver medal to certain countries is pretty huge.
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