Why did the Rangers Trade Zubov?

[brachyrynchos]

The Nordiques traded their coach, Michel Bergeron, to the New York Rangers for the first round draft pick Quebec used to select Joe Sakic.

Solid trade.

Wait, I thought it was Washington's pick traded to Quebec for Hunter.

 

[FerrisRox]

Wait, I thought it was Washington's pick traded to Quebec for Hunter.

You are correct. The Bergeron trade fetched an '88 First Rounder.

 

[c9777666]

Neil Smith was roundly criticized for making one desperate move after another, year after year, trying to catch the magic of the 1994 Cup again. 1994 Rangers traded young talent for gritty older guys and it worked... and they just kept trying it again and again.

To answer a question earlier in the thread: NYR era Zubov was atrocious in his own end, about as bad as you could picture a regular NHL defenseman. I guess part of the rationale was that they had Brian Leetch to provide offense, and Leetch was less of a liability than Zubov, so Zubov was expendable.

what was Zubov’s plus minus in the Cup year? Was he that bad defensively in his own end in 94?

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

You are correct. The Bergeron traded fetched an '88 First Rounder.

Which was used to select Daniel Dore at #5 overall who scored a career total of 5 points, far fewer than the 12 players selected after him that would amass 400+ point careers, including 4 players that broke 1,000 points.

 

[sr edler]

what was Zubov’s plus minus in the Cup year? Was he that bad defensively in his own end in 94?

He was 4th on his team, +20. Leetch 1st with +28.

In the playoffs he was +10, 5th on the team. Leetch 1st with +19, and Beukeboom 2nd +17.

"Atrocious" is probably a bit of an exaggeration. He had a bit of a non-physical timid style, but I think he could still work it decently positionally.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

in 94 they paired zubov with kevin lowe. a pretty ideal pairing of an old defensive warrior with no desire to roam left in him and a freelancing young guy who has no idea when not to pinch yet or what to do even if he’s appropriately back

add to that relatively easy matchups because leetch/beuk played so much of the game and there is your gaudy +/-.

otoh, it’s also probably the worst hhof d pair there ever was, unless housley ever time traveled to play with leo boivin.

 

[FerrisRox]

Which was used to select Daniel Dore at #5 overall who scored a career total of 5 points, far fewer than the 12 players selected after him that would amass 400+ point careers, including 4 players that broke 1,000 points.

...And Bergeron was back behind the Nordiques bench in 1989.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

The Rangers really in some ways were victims of their own success. They had thrown away their future for ex-Oilers (Messier, Graves, Beukeboom, Lowe, Anderson, Tikkanen) and ex Blackhawks (Noonan, Matteau) and it had worked.
There was a really really deep belief in the idea that players who had won the cup had a certain mystique. There was much more emphasis on veterans who had done it many times compared to young players.

The Rangers later sold the farm for Kurri and Mccsorley.
They were trading for Samuelsson who they felt would make them tougher on the back end, and Robitaille who they felt better fit the age profile of their core. But it seemed really stupid at the time and history bore that out.

 

[ForsbergForever]

The Rangers really in some ways were victims of their own success. They had thrown away their future for ex-Oilers (Messier, Graves, Beukeboom, Lowe, Anderson, Tikkanen) and ex Blackhawks (Noonan, Matteau) and it had worked.

The frustrating part is that a roster of:

Graves-Messier-Amonte
Kovalev-Weight-Gartner

Leetch-Beukeboom
Zubov-Lowe

Probably could have won the Cup in '94 AND had several more seasons of success.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

The frustrating part is that a roster of:

Graves-Messier-Amonte
Kovalev-Weight-Gartner

Leetch-Beukeboom
Zubov-Lowe

Probably could have won the Cup in '94 AND had several more seasons of success.

It all goes back to Richters gaf in game 4 vs the Pens in 92. If they win that game they go up 3-1, probably take that series and beat Boston and Chicago to take the cup. The ultimate results are 94 probably happens too alas with that group and they probably have an easier time doing it.

 

[ForsbergForever]

It all goes back to Richters gaf in game 4 vs the Pens in 92. If they win that game they go up 3-1, probably take that series and beat Boston and Chicago to take the cup. The ultimate results are 94 probably happens too alas with that group and they probably have an easier time doing it.

With Cup wins in 92 and 94 maybe the dark age of 1998-2004, with all the pointless overspending on useless free agents never happens.

 

[GMR]

The Rangers really in some ways were victims of their own success. They had thrown away their future for ex-Oilers (Messier, Graves, Beukeboom, Lowe, Anderson, Tikkanen) and ex Blackhawks (Noonan, Matteau) and it had worked.
There was a really really deep belief in the idea that players who had won the cup had a certain mystique. There was much more emphasis on veterans who had done it many times compared to young players.

The Rangers later sold the farm for Kurri and Mccsorley.
They were trading for Samuelsson who they felt would make them tougher on the back end, and Robitaille who they felt better fit the age profile of their core. But it seemed really stupid at the time and history bore that out.

That's one part I don't get. Their defense already had Beukeboom and McSorley. They had plenty of toughness at forward. If they wanted a dirty player who will injure someone, they already had Messier.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

With Cup wins in 92 and 94 maybe the dark age of 1998-2004, with all the pointless overspending on useless free agents never happens.

That was sort of ordered by management, Neil Smith wanted to start to rebuild as early as 95, but ownership wouldnt let him under the you cant rebuild in NY mentality.

That's one part I don't get. Their defense already had Beukeboom and McSorley. They had plenty of toughness at forward. If they wanted a dirty player who will injure someone, they already had Messier.

McSorley actually came after Samuelsson, that was another Messier pining for his old Edmonton buddies trade, where you had Norstrom who would have been fine.