Why did Quebec not get a team?

[AtlantaWhaler]

No current teams. But book it, one day it will happen.
Listen, if a MBL club can move from one place to another à la Oakland IS moving. .... I definitely believe one day it will again happen in the NHL

You really beleive that it will never happen again in the NHL?

Thought you were talking about one of my favorite teams, like my post was referring to

 

[Bradely]

They let Ottawa play in a substandard, albeit larger than Mullett, barn for their first couple seasons. The NHL just wasn't willing to slam the door shut on a bad situation until it was clear it was a long-term rather than temp thing, and they then did shut the door.

And wait, what? You're complaining about concessions having reasonably priced items? How on earth is that bad?

Good for the fans, not complaining about reasonably price item...just an observation that Canadian team don't have to give hot dogs and beer at 2$ to get people in an arena for a hockey game.

Nothing wrong. It is what it is.

Thought you were talking about one of my favorite teams, like my post was referring to

No I lost the Nord in 95. I understand you more than you think.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I get wanting more teams, but "our teams can price gouge more than American teams" is an odd take.

Also, those are assuredly prices for their absolute smallest versions of everything.

But again, if a Canadian team can price gouge more, you'd think that a potential owner would be more willing for meet the expansion price.

 

[ORRFForever]

I am Canadian... just saying

Fair enough.

It's a moot point. We're getting screwed by the NHL and we have no one to blame but ourselves. That's why I never spend money to support the league. No other Canadian should either.

 

[Bradely]

Fair enough.

It's a moot point. We're getting screwed by the NHL and we have no one to blame but ourselves. That's why I never spend money to support the league.

Good for you. Coherent with your take and value. I respect that.
Have a nice one.

 

[ORRFForever]

Good for you. Coherent with your take and value. I respect that.
Have a nice one.

Thanks... I think.

You have a good night, too.

 

[tucker3434]

They wouldn't be if Canadian revenue stayed in Canada - which is what Rogers/TSN should insist on.

Why are we propping up your teams?

You aren’t…

Have said before, will say again, if Canada wanted to take their ball and go home, their revenue and valuations tank. Like it or not, Canadian franchises benefit immensely from the 25 American markets. It’s why they’re so happy to have us and continue to vote to allow new entrants.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

It might come to that at some point in the future. Based only on numbers, not taking all the question of cultural aspect (IMO hockey's more important to Canadian history and culture than for US folks), numbers are south of the border.

Yeah, with the present exchange rate, if some hypothetical owner of a new Canadian team were to pay a $1B USD expansion fee, it would be around $1.35B CAD. The numbers just aren't there for anybody in Canada to offer up this kind of money, which is why there are no new Canadian applications and probably will not be until the exchange rate improves.

It is not an NHL problem, it is a lack of Canadian applications problem. By contrast, the NHL expects to approve U.S. applications at the rate of about one every four years and their checks will clear. Notably, the Canadian owners will share in the expansion fees (in USD!) so none of them are complaining.

 

[ORRFForever]

You aren’t…

Have said before, will say again, if Canada wanted to take their ball and go home, their revenue and valuations tank. Like it or not, Canadian franchises benefit immensely from the 25 American markets. It’s why they’re so happy to have us and continue to vote to allow new entries.

The LEAFS will be worth what they're worth with or without U.S. teams. In fact, the other Canadian teams would be worth MORE if the Canadian teams shared ALL the Canadian revenue.

It's U.S. franchises that would falter when they can't pay the bills. When you have a half dozen U.S. franchises unable to meat payroll, U.S. values will drop like a stone.

Again, don't do us any favours. Canadian teams should keep the money at home. U.S. teams should do the same.

 

[Brookbank]

Yeah, with the present exchange rate, if some hypothetical owner of a new Canadian team were to pay a $1B USD expansion fee, it would be around $1.35B CAD. The numbers just aren't there for anybody in Canada to offer up this kind of money, which is why there are no new Canadian applications and probably will not be until the exchange rate improves.

It is not an NHL problem, it is a lack of Canadian applications problem. By contrast, the NHL expects to approve U.S. applications at the rate of about one every four years and their checks will clear. Notably, the Canadian owners will share in the expansion fees (in USD!) so none of them are complaining.

That's nonsense. I like how you write 1 b and then 1.35 b , as if this shows that the CAD is a 3rd world currency or something. The owners of the Winnipeg Jets have more money than the owners of the Dallas Cowboys.

The fact is , today's corporate culture puts a premium on growth. Which is why the NHL just loves the idea of creating new hockey fans. Growing the pie. Instead of just taking Canadians money. Taking money from Canadians is too easy.

A team in Hamilton would instantly be the 5th most grossing team in the league. But the NHL chose to incinerate 100 million dollars in the desert instead. You are trying to come up with rational reason's for irrational things.

 

[ORRFForever]

That's nonsense. I like how you write 1 b and then 1.35 b , as if this shows that the CAD is a 3rd world currency or something. The owners of the Winnipeg Jets have more money than the owners of the Dallas Cowboys.

The fact is , today's corporate culture puts a premium on growth. Which is why the NHL just loves the idea of creating new hockey fans. Growing the pie. Instead of just taking Canadians money. Taking money from Canadians is too easy.

A team in Hamilton would instantly be the 5th most grossing team in the league. But the NHL chose to incinerate 100 million dollars in the desert instead. You are trying to come up with rational reason's for irrational things.

If I was an American, I would say, "Give Canada another franchise (or 2)". After all, what do they care?

However, there are some posters (not directed at anyone) who love to see the NHL stick it to Canada.

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As for Hamilton, let Bob Young buy and run an NHL team with the Ticats. A win-win. Of course, the Leafs (and Sabres) don't want to share the market.

To hell with all of them. Don't give the NHL your money - I don't.

 

[willy702]

The LEAFS will be worth what they're worth with or without U.S. teams. In fact, the other Canadian teams would be worth MORE if the Canadian teams shared ALL the Canadian revenue.

It's U.S. franchises that would falter when they can't pay the bills. When you have a half dozen U.S. franchises unable to meat payroll, U.S. values will drop like a stone.

Again, don't do us any favours. Canadian teams should keep the money at home. U.S. teams should do the same.

If they split it up into two leagues like how soccer exists in most of the world the Canadian league would tank badly. Players will want to play in the US and most would shun Canada. And then when Canadian fans decide who to watch, are they going to stick with Canadian league games when they know the best players in the world are playing South of the border? Don't think so.

 

[ORRFForever]

If they split it up into two leagues like how soccer exists in most of the world the Canadian league would tank badly. Players will want to play in the US and most would shun Canada. And then when Canadian fans decide who to watch, are they going to stick with Canadian league games when they know the best players in the world are playing South of the border? Don't think so.

They're not going to go to the U.S. when there is far more money in Canada.

Like I said, split Canadian money 7, 8, 9, 10 ways. Split the U.S. money 25 ways. We'll see how things play out.

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It's a moot point. It's not going to happen and TSN/Rogers are NOT going to stand up for Canada so...

One more time before I leave this thread that's going in circles... Do NOT give the NHL your money!!!!

 

[Bradely]

The fact is , today's corporate culture puts a premium on growth. Which is why the NHL just loves the idea of creating new hockey fans. Growing the pie. Instead of just taking Canadians money. Taking money from Canadians is too easy.

That is my take. Canadian market don't have alot to grow, while in the US it is. New fans, big numbers, TV rating and money etc...
NHL is going south of the border..... and part of the financial support provided by Canadian fan!

 

[VivaLasVegas]

That's nonsense. I like how you write 1 b and then 1.35 b , as if this shows that the CAD is a 3rd world currency or something. The owners of the Winnipeg Jets have more money than the owners of the Dallas Cowboys.

The fact is , today's corporate culture puts a premium on growth. Which is why the NHL just loves the idea of creating new hockey fans. Growing the pie. Instead of just taking Canadians money. Taking money from Canadians is too easy.

A team in Hamilton would instantly be the 5th most grossing team in the league. But the NHL chose to incinerate 100 million dollars in the desert instead. You are trying to come up with rational reason's for irrational things.

For clarification:

(1) Isn't $1B USD equal to $1.35B CAD?

(2) Do the uber-rich owners of the Jets have an application for an expansion franchise pending? If not, why not?

(3) Are there any current applications for expansion in Canada pending?

(4) Would the Leafs' owners approve a franchise in Hamilton?

(5) Didn't the NHL ultimately receive a $200M relocation fee for the Phoenix-Utah move which was split between all owners?

Thanks in advance!

 

[tucker3434]

The LEAFS will be worth what they're worth with or without U.S. teams. In fact, the other Canadian teams would be worth MORE if the 6 Canadian teams shared ALL the Canadian revenue.

It's U.S. franchises that would falter when they can't pay the bills. When you have a half dozen U.S. franchises unable to meat payroll, U.S. values will drop like a stone.

Again, don't do us any favours. Canadian teams should keep the money at home. U.S. teams should do the same.

Yeah, I’m sure 13 games against Ottawa would do wonders for gate revenues, viewership, and advertising.

Most of the teams that pay into revenue sharing are American. 2 out of 7 Canadian teams are on the take. If you wanted to build a wall around the Canadian revenue, fine, but I’d be willing to bet Canadian owners aren’t as willing to completely untether themselves from the +35% USD, considering it’s the currency of their largest expense line item. That’s what you’d call short sighted.