Who's More Impressive To You: 2024-2025 Ovechkin Or Recent Crosby?

[Midnight Judges]

But the shift to shift impact? It's Crosby by a huge amount. Like...a not-worthy-of-a-poll amount haha

^^That's just a complete failure of player evaluation.

Then again you also claimed Ovechkin was a "shoot-only" player so....

 

[Michael Farkas]

^^That's just a complete failure of player evaluation.

Then again you also claimed Ovechkin was a "shoot-only" player so....

Ugh, don't make me pull out the tape again haha

Just take the counting stat goal win and be happy...don't try to overplay the hand like he's out there doing a bunch of useful stuff. No one watching the games is falling for that, even other Caps fans are saying that. You're gonna win the thing you like, don't invite people to evaluate his game play, it's just gonna make him look bad at a time where he should be celebrated...

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ugh, don't make me pull out the tape again haha

Just take the counting stat goal win and be happy...don't try to overplay the hand like he's out there doing a bunch of useful stuff. No one watching the games is falling for that, even other Caps fans are saying that. You're gonna win the thing you like, don't invite people to evaluate his game play, it's just gonna make him look bad at a time where he should be celebrated...

No one actually watching the games is falling for your "shoot-only" gibberish.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'll give Crosby/Pens fans this: You are great at politics. You can take a weakness (Crosby's alleged defense) and turn it into a perceived strength for anyone not watching the tape or able to comprehend the statistics. You can take one gif and pretend it says something huge. You can dumb down entire careers to extremely rare acts - like penalty shots - as if that makes or breaks a player to the extent that leading the league in goals 3 times somehow morphs into being better than leading the league 9 times.

Similarly, you can take a clear strength (Ovechkin's physicality) and simply pretend it doesn't exist. Over and over again. And that too can take hold with sheer repetition.

But you have to bank on people not thinking for themselves, not watching the games, and not comprehending the meaning of basic words (such as "dimension" and "only"). Admittedly, it works a surprising amount of the time.

 

[TeeTee]

I am a capitals fan and an ovechkin fan

I find it very difficult to honestly rank how well Ovechkin does. Eye test wise he looks terrible most of the time to be frank. Yet he can look terrible all game and then score two goals to win the game.

Meanwhile Crosby looks better and more impactful via eye test but does that matter if doesn’t result in more goals scored while you are on the ice or your team winning more?

This isn’t a new thing. I think Ovechkin has looked terrible for many many years at this point yet he just keeps scoring.

McDavid looked brutal all game against the USA in the four nation final, then scored the golden goal to win it all. Did the previous 60 minutes of suckage matter?

"Eye test wise he looks terrible most of the time to be frank. Yet he can look terrible all game and then score two goals to win the game."

This right here. It has been this way for a LONG time.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Similarly, people can take things too literally, never let it go, and pretend like it's interesting to anyone else. Like, is it really "passive" aggressive in an exchange like this...? haha

Multi-dimensional, for me, really depends on the context. Typically, it refers to players that can play well at both ends of the ice. In other contexts, it means being a balanced attacker (one who is a major plus in goal scoring and playmaking). I don't say that to dismiss or discount physicality...not at all. But that's not necessarily the first thing that jumps to mind when talking about "multi-dimensional talent" for me. Other folks are free to interpret things as they see fit, of course...