Arthur Morgan
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after like 10+ years of whatever they were and now with a star-riddled team and cant do anything in the playoffs. I just dont know how to be that 100% positive fan anymore.Based leafs doomer
after like 10+ years of whatever they were and now with a star-riddled team and cant do anything in the playoffs. I just dont know how to be that 100% positive fan anymore.Based leafs doomer
That's such a pathetic argument so why did you have to make up all your other pathetic arguments to attribute to me?I think you honing in on a Stanley Cup win as the only way a player “gets it done” is disingenuous and the only way you can favour your player. Once again, ignoring the whole team sport aspect of the game.
Again - it’s a pathetic argument.
Got completely clamped by Danault , also completely clamped in columbus play in. God knows who their C was , Probably a mix of PLD/Boone Jenner , clamped by whatever Boston was running at Center last year , Zacha or Coyle , pick the 60 point center you want it doesn't even matter to be fair last playoffs his tum tum really hurt so I get itI’m pretty sure it’s because he is useless in the playoffs but sure
Also “one of the best defensive forwards in the league” is too funny
Lots of drivel about me taking it personally or what is what argument which there is no point in addressing.That's such a pathetic argument so why did you have to make up all your other pathetic arguments to attribute to me?
Also I never mentioned 'my player' (yeah, youre definitely not taking it personally ) but you seem to think the only reason I say Drai didnt get it done is because somehow that looks better for Matthews? It doesn't, why would you even pretend it does? If that were even the case (its not) it doesn't change the core concept of what I said, which is that he didnt get it done.
There is 0 professional athletes in the world that think they got it done while watching another team win the championship.
Give it your best, have an incredibile season, be a better player, etc are all things that are achievable without winning but that's not getting it done.
What is getting it done to you?
Edit: Why do you keep making up things and pretending I say them? LOL when did I say I didnt like you saying it’s an argument? The f*** are you even talking about man?
You can’t argue with people who pretend there’s no difference between multiple 30+ point playoffs and being a major reason your team can’t get past the first roundLots of drivel about me taking it personally or what is what argument which there is no point in addressing.
Getting it done, quite simply, is pulling your weight when you’re supposed to (in the context of a team sport). Something Draisaitl has done year after year in the regular season and especially in the playoffs.
Honing in on a Stanley Cup win as the only way to measure success or “getting the job done” is disingenuous. Especially in the context of a team sport with 5 other players on the ice. And especially when this thread is a clear comparison of two players.
Anyways - back to the topic at hand…
Is that what I argued? Care to show me where I said that?You can’t argue with people who pretend there’s no difference between multiple 30+ point playoffs and being a major reason your team can’t get past the first round
Ya it’s seems obvious Draisitl is better in the playoffs.You can’t argue with people who pretend there’s no difference between multiple 30+ point playoffs and being a major reason your team can’t get past the first round
You're equating both as equals for *not getting it done* .Is that what I argued? Care to show me where I said that?
You're equating both as equals for *not getting done* .
Meanwhile one guy has top 5 all time playoff numbers in the history of the game over a decent timeframe with an acceptable sample size.
The other guy simply folds when the going gets tough and every single regular season stat you can come up with comes down when the going gets tough
So Phil Kessel is a better player than Draisaitl and Matthews? Got itNo, I am not.
I am saying Draisaitl didnt get it done, so saying "he gets it done" is false.
That has nothing to do with Matthews or the poll or whatever weird little arguments you people are concocting in your heads that I didn't say.
Did he get it done?
No.
If that is your argument youre more than willing to run with it. I wouldn't think that way but some of you think very differently.So Phil Kessel is a better player than Draisaitl and Matthews? Got it
This entire argument seems more based on semantics rather than the general point. Swap "gets it done" to "performs in the playoffs" and suddenly I don't think there's any leg to stand on.I think you honing in on a Stanley Cup win as the only way a player “gets it done” is disingenuous and the only way you can favour your player. Once again, ignoring the whole team sport aspect of the game.
Again - it’s a pathetic argument.
Edit: since you don’t like me saying it’s an argument, consider it a poor extrapolation or point to bridge the gap between the two players.
100%, if you make a different statement it means different things.This entire argument seems more based on semantics rather than the general point. Swap "gets it done" to "performs in the playoffs" and suddenly I don't think there's any leg to stand on.
We did, and he won a Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay trophy.
Do peoples memories on this board erase after 12 months?
Credibility out the door.Either the guy who doesn't show up in the playoffs at all or the guy who only shows up in early rounds. I guess I would pick Drai since he does light up those 1st round opponents more often than not. Matthews seems really ineffective in the playoffs. He is also the number 1 threat, so that is something to consider. But he can't create his own offense, he relies on a set up man. Drai can you give a few different looks.
They both heavily rely on being set up, Draisaitl has better offensive skills. Matthews is better defensively. It really comes down to what skill set compliments your current roster.Either the guy who doesn't show up in the playoffs at all or the guy who only shows up in early rounds. I guess I would pick Drai since he does light up those 1st round opponents more often than not. Matthews seems really ineffective in the playoffs. He is also the number 1 threat, so that is something to consider. But he can't create his own offense, he relies on a set up man. Drai can you give a few different looks.
Draisaitl can set up his teammates at an elite level. To say he relies on being set up in the same manner as Matthews is a bit disingenuous. I would prefer the skillset that translates into the playoffs, which Drai's does until he runs out of steam.They both heavily rely on being set up, Draisaitl has better offensive skills. Matthews is better defensively. It really comes down to what skill set compliments your current roster.
Dude this is a hockey forum, nobody is 'credible'Credibility out the door.
Matthews also gets treated like a #1 threat on the ice where as Draisiatl is usually an after thought with the focus on McDavid. Draisiatl does translate better for the playoffs but it would be intriguing to see Matthews with someone like McDavid beside him. Neither really control or dictate play when they are on the ice, that’s a huge disadvantage for Matthews.Draisaitl can set up his teammates at an elite level. To say he relies on being set up in the same manner as Matthews is a bit disingenuous. I would prefer the skillset that translates into the playoffs, which Drai's does until he runs out of steam.
Dude this is a hockey forum, nobody is 'credible'