Who will end up as a better player: Bedard, Celebrini, Michkov, Demidov or Hutson?

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Celebrini
Michkov
Hutson
Bedard
Demidov

 

[HanSolo]

Of the five players listed, my take is that if I somehow had the option to choose one of them on my team, I'd easily take Celebrini. He's simply the most complete player of the five. Bedard and Michkov are better offensive weapons, but it's not like Celebrini projects to me that his offense will be lacking. Hutson is a nifty offensive defenseman, which I'll admit having a slight bias against. I have no idea how to judge Demidov.

I really hate agreeing on Celebrini but I think people are sleeping on his offensive upside. It's all a wait and see game but unfortunately I see no reason why Celebrini can't be as productive as Michkov and Bedard while also playing a more complete game.

 

[ViD]

Anyone who doesn't have Hutson and Demidov 1 and 2 is just a Habs hater. Everyone has seen how many assists Hutson has, it's not hidden info. And Demidov broke a few KHL records so he's better than Kucherov and Ovechkin. Is Michkov better than Kucherov and Ovechkin?

And Reinbacher the best European defenseman to date

 

[Fatass]

Hutson
Celebrini
Michkov
Bedard
Demidov is an unknown at this level. He ranks at the bottom because of that.

Imo total points are not the only factor that determines a player’s rank. Hutson and Celebrini are looking more like guys who will lead their clubs to winning. Michkov is moving in that direction. Bedard struggles greatly in that regard (imo) still.,

 

[Schennanigans]

Demidov is the only player we haven’t seen in the nhl so who the fk knows about him. I do think Celebrini is around the top two in this list.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Anyone who doesn't have Hutson and Demidov 1 and 2 is just a Habs hater. Everyone has seen how many assists Hutson has, it's not hidden info. And Demidov broke a few KHL records so he's better than Kucherov and Ovechkin. Is Michkov better than Kucherov and Ovechkin?

Its not really a fair comparison tbh. Its widely accepted amongst the educated hockey community that Hutson and Celebrini will be superstars for the next 15 years, while the other three have not played any meaningful NHL games to speak of in their young careers.

 

[AvatarAang]

At this point there is nothing significant to beat when it comes to Bedard. Let’s stop pretending he’s playing like a world beater.

The title of this thread is:

Who will end up as a better player​

Let’s stop pretending that you read the title since you are only interested in his performance at this point.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Anyone who doesn't have Hutson and Demidov 1 and 2 is just a Habs hater. Everyone has seen how many assists Hutson has, it's not hidden info. And Demidov broke a few KHL records so he's better than Kucherov and Ovechkin. Is Michkov better than Kucherov and Ovechkin?

Conplete non-sequitur and a litany of strawmen. The person i responded too put a gap with Hutson and Demidov at the bottom of the gap and Bedard first. Clear biases.

Same kind of biases that made many posters put Hutson out of the Calder race before the season started.

 

[Soul Assumption]

1. Michkov. 120+ point player, will be close to Kucherov. Will probably have less assists, but more goals. Something like 50+70 is what you can expect from him regularly
2. Bedard. Not McDavid, not even MacKinnon, but still a 100+ point center easily.
3. Demidov. Offensive winger like Panarin. 85-100 point player.
4. Celebrini. PPG center with slightly above average defense. I have no idea where the myth came from that he is a defensive beast. It's based on nothing. -100 and gets undressed every other game.
5. Hutson. ok, at first it was a meme, but it went too far and it looks like people actually believed he would be a star. He is an offensive defenseman and can score some secondary PP assists. But he doesn't have the tools to make a real difference like Makar or Hughes and he's very average defensively. His ceiling is Tony DeAngelo with a better attitude. So No. 2 offensive D. Which is good, but not as good as Demidov and Celebrini. And obviously not even comparable to Bedard or Michkov

 

[Frank Drebin]

1. Michkov. 120+ point player, will be close to Kucherov. Will probably have less assists, but more goals. Something like 50+70 is what you can expect from him regularly
2. Bedard. Not McDavid, not even MacKinnon, but still a 100+ point center easily.
3. Demidov. Offensive winger like Panarin. 85-100 point player.
4. Celebrini. PPG center with slightly above average defense. I have no idea where the myth came from that he is a defensive beast. It's based on nothing. -100 and gets undressed every other game.
5. Hutson. ok, at first it was a meme, but it went too far and it looks like people actually believed he would be a star. He is an offensive defenseman and can score some secondary PP assists. But he doesn't have the tools to make a real difference like Makar or Hughes and he's very average defensively. His ceiling is Tony DeAngelo with a better attitude. So No. 2 offensive D. Which is good, but not as good as Demidov and Celebrini. And obviously not even comparable to Bedard or Michkov

Refreshing take. Nice to see some objectivity around these parts

 

[Frank Drebin]

Tony deanelo with a better attitude is ray bourque

 

[kerrabria]

I don't think it's fair to compare a defenseman to a group of forwards.
And it's asinine to compare a guy who have never played on North American ice to Top 6 forwards.

I think Celebrini ends up the best. I see him as a future franchise C who makes a Top 5 case.
I expect Michkov to peak as an elite, offensively lethal winger in the mold of Panarin--but idk many "Top 10 Winger" seasons he'll actually have.
In my opinion, Bedard could become a gamebreaking winger if he's moved their permanently, and then he'd be better than Michkov. However, I expect the Hawks will shoehorn him as a Center, and he could top out as a 1bC.

But in all fairness, I said the exact same thing about MacKinnon back in 2016-17.

 

[My3Sons]

You have to define "better" in such a way that folks can discuss it in apples to apples terms. "Better" can be subjective and mean different things to different people.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You have to define "better" in such a way that folks can discuss it in apples to apples terms. "Better" can be subjective and mean different things to different people.

I think better can be absolute
Makar>matthews>werenski
Draisatl>q hughes>j hughes

 

[FlyguyOX]

Celebrini has to be #1 because he's the only true top line, all star center.

Then Michkov as I think he's a better winger than Bedard is.

Then Bedard.

Then Demidov.

Then Hutson.

Hutson last is really just a reflection of my opinion that he will get steamrolled in playoff hockey.

 

[My3Sons]

I think better can be absolute
Makar>matthews>werenski
Draisatl>q hughes>j hughes

Sure but the question is why.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Sure but the question is why.

So we can trash players we don’t like?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson/Demidov (they will play together)
Celebrini
Bedard
Michkov

 

[Frank Drebin]

Hutson/Demidov (they will play together)
Celebrini
Bedard
Michkov

I like it
Not sure about the gap after celebrini and bedard, you think they will be close to the other 3?

 

[Essenege]

Bedard
Celebrini
Michkov

Gap

Demidov/Hutson.

The recency bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Bedard and Michkov have by far the highest offensive ceiling. Celebrini the most well rounded player.

I’ll say your obvious anti-habs bias is pretty amusing.

Demidov had the best u-20 season ever in the KHL, Michkov included, when you factor in no PP and average time on ice.

You’re not ready for next year. I’ll take the bet Demidov outscores Bedard

 

[Ajex12x]

Celebrini has to be #1 because he's the only true top line, all star center.

Then Michkov as I think he's a better winger than Bedard is.

Then Bedard.

Then Demidov.

Then Hutson.

Hutson last is really just a reflection of my opinion that he will get steamrolled in playoff hockey.

This is observing them as they are now as fact. Any thoughts as to the subject of the thread? I think it's cool there's so many different answers though, future is bright.
Celebrini
Bedard
Michov
Huston
Demidiv

For me

 

[bud12]

To soon for that and Hutson have no business being there as a dman. But imo, after watching them play both in the khl, Demidov is a better player than Michkov.

 

[Nicko999]

Hutson is outscoring Bedard and Michkov and is only an year older only. Literally zero argument for them over Hutson.
Celebrini is great but what Hutson is doing is more impressive than Macklin.
Demidov is not even in the NHL yet.

So I would rank them as follow:

1. Hutson
2. Celebrini
3. Bedard
4. Michkov
5. Demidov

 

[Sting]

Celebrini/Michkov
Bedard
Hutson/Demidov

This is probably the list I agree with.

I think Celebrini will become a high-end two-way #1 center capable of putting up ~100 points. Arguably the most valuable type of player in hockey. That's not to say he ever reaches McDavid, Ovy, Crosby etc production or level, but nonetheless, a player you build an entire team around.

Michkov has proven he'll be a #1 winger for a long time.

The other 3 I am less certain about mainly because I think their physical attributes will prevent them from being superstars you build a team around or in the case of Demidov, just pure uncertainty as to how he translates to the NHL game.

 

[chaz4hockey]

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