Who will end up as a better player: Bedard, Celebrini, Michkov, Demidov or Hutson?

[outlet]

Michkov, Demidov and Bedard will be 100+ point players, Celebrini I doubt it, probably at about Barkov level... scoring I mean, and not sure about defensive part of his game. Hutson is an offensive defenseman so it's hard to compare him to forwards.

Not on the Flyers he wont.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

So far, Celebrini is the most impressive

 

[HanSolo]

I'm bumping when Beckett Sennecke clears all of them

For me and I hate to rank it this way because I hate the Sharks but

Celebrini
Bedard
Michkov
Hutson
Demidov

 

[EveryDay]

Hutson
Celebrini
Bedard
Demidov
Michkov

 

[MNRube]

Celebrini/Michkov
Bedard
Hutson/Demidov

 

[ViD]

I like this ranking too. Hutson needs to consistently perform at Makar/Hughes level if he’s going to beat out Bedard/Celebrini long term.

At this point there is nothing significant to beat when it comes to Bedard. Let’s stop pretending he’s playing like a world beater.

 

[AvroArrow]

Michkov, Demidov and Bedard will be 100+ point players, Celebrini I doubt it, probably at about Barkov level... scoring I mean, and not sure about defensive part of his game. Hutson is an offensive defenseman so it's hard to compare him to forwards.

I would take Celebrini over any of those guys without thinking about it, especially Bedard.

As a rookie Celebrini has a better PPG than all the guys you mentioned, and he's the youngest so I don't really understand how you can suggest the other 3 will be 100+ point guys but Celebrini won't, when he's already out producing them as a younger player and on the worst team in the league.

Also his 2 way game, the guys by far the best out of the guys you've mentioned. I've only see a couple Sharks games but for a rookie, the guy is great defensively.

Celebrini PPG .85
Bedard PPG .78
Michkov PPG .78
Demidov PPG .75 (KHL)

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I don't think you've ever actually seen Celebrini play because none of what you said makes sense.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I would take Celebrini over any of those guys without thinking about it, especially Bedard.

As a rookie Celebrini has a better PPG than all the guys you mentioned, and he's the youngest so I don't really understand how you can suggest the other 3 will be 100+ point guys but Celebrini won't, when he's already out producing them as a younger player and on the worst team in the league.

Also his 2 way game, the guys by far the best out of the guys you've mentioned. I've only see a couple Sharks games but for a rookie, the guy is great defensively.

Celebrini PPG .85
Bedard PPG .78
Michkov PPG .78
Demidov PPG .75 (KHL)

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I don't think you've ever actually seen Celebrini play because none of what you said makes sense.

A little off topic on the PPG, but just something I noticed. Bedard gets absolutely dragged through the mud on these boards for being a -30 or worse player. But Celebrini is consistently praised as this 2-way juggernaut, but also is over -30, both players play on shit teams. At what point does Bedard get a break from the scrutiny the way Celebrini's avoided it? Say, if Celebrini is -35 next year is he still a 2-way monster? I've seen the kid play he's great, just an honest question, I think his 2-way play is a bit overstated. I think Bedard / Michkov / Celebrini will all be 100 point players at the NHL level.

 

[HawksDub89]

Bedard
Celebrini
Michkov

Gap

Demidov/Hutson.

The recency bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Bedard and Michkov have by far the highest offensive ceiling. Celebrini the most well rounded player.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I would take Celebrini over any of those guys without thinking about it, especially Bedard.

As a rookie Celebrini has a better PPG than all the guys you mentioned, and he's the youngest so I don't really understand how you can suggest the other 3 will be 100+ point guys but Celebrini won't, when he's already out producing them as a younger player and on the worst team in the league.

Also his 2 way game, the guys by far the best out of the guys you've mentioned. I've only see a couple Sharks games but for a rookie, the guy is great defensively.

Celebrini PPG .85
Bedard PPG .78
Michkov PPG .78
Demidov PPG .75 (KHL)

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I don't think you've ever actually seen Celebrini play because none of what you said makes sense.

And Kucherov scored 18 points in 52 games in his rookie season... These stats mean nothing for their careers.

I can say that Michkov has most goals, most primary points, most 5v5 points, most multipoint games, and all this while being not properly fit and playing under Torts...

 

[ViD]

I would take Celebrini over any of those guys without thinking about it, especially Bedard.

As a rookie Celebrini has a better PPG than all the guys you mentioned, and he's the youngest so I don't really understand how you can suggest the other 3 will be 100+ point guys but Celebrini won't, when he's already out producing them as a younger player and on the worst team in the league.

Also his 2 way game, the guys by far the best out of the guys you've mentioned. I've only see a couple Sharks games but for a rookie, the guy is great defensively.

Celebrini PPG .85
Bedard PPG .78
Michkov PPG .78
Demidov PPG .75 (KHL)

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I don't think you've ever actually seen Celebrini play because none of what you said makes sense.

Celebrini (and Bedard too) plays 3-4 more minutes per game than Michkov (at least during Torts era) and is not punished for any defensive mistakes like Michkov was.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Celebrini (and Bedard too) plays 3-4 more minutes per game more than Michkov (at least during Torts era) and is not punished for any defensive mistakes like Michkov was.

As soon as Michkov was relieved of Torts, and played 20+ minutes as night as Celebrini and Bedard, all he's done is go on an absolute tear and show that offensive brilliance that makes him so special.

 

[AvroArrow]

And Kucherov scored 18 points in 52 games in his rookie season... These stats mean nothing for their careers.

I can say that Michkov has most goals, most primary points, most 5v5 points, and all this while being not properly fit and playing under Torts...

So you project the guys who are scoring lower then Celebrini, at an older age, to score at a higher pace than Celebrini at their peaks ?

I mean if you wanna have that opinion sure, but based on what. Because it certainly isn't the eye-test, especially if you're questioning his 2 way game, when he's easily the best 2 way player out of all the guys mentioned.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So you project the guys who are scoring lower then Celebrini, at an older age, to score at a higher pace than Celebrini at their peaks ?

I mean if you wanna have that opinion sure, but based on what. Because it certainly isn't the eye-test, especially if you're questioning his 2 way game, when he's easily the best 2 way player out of all the guys mentioned.

Bedard scored higher than Celebrini in his rookie season...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Bedard
Celebrini
Michkov

Gap

Demidov/Hutson.

The recency bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Bedard and Michkov have by far the highest offensive ceiling. Celebrini the most well rounded player.

The anti-habs bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The anti-habs bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Posters aren't allowed to have an opinion?

 

[Frank Drebin]

As soon as Michkov was relieved of Torts, and played 20+ minutes as night as Celebrini and Bedard, all he's done is go on an absolute tear and show that offensive brilliance that makes him so special.

Once Michkov can prove he can do more than score empty points in meaningless games for awful teams he can be considered on the same tier as the rest.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Once Michkov can prove he can do more than score empty points in meaningless games for awful teams he can be considered on the same tier as the rest.

Glad you're back to reading my posts, I missed you.

 

[dr robbie]

I've only seen a handful of games by each player on the list, but Michkov is the one that really caught my eye. Seems like he has another gear in him that he'll hit.

 

[HawksDub89]

The anti-habs bias in these types of threads is always amusing.

Almost as amusing as Habs fan butthurtness in these threads.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Almost as amusing as Habs fan butthurtness in these threads.

Almost as amusing as the insecurity needed to make such pretentions.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Almost as amusing as Habs fan butthurtness in these threads.

Ryan Donato


large gap

Connor Bedard

 

[Summer Rose]

Of the five players listed, my take is that if I somehow had the option to choose one of them on my team, I'd easily take Celebrini. He's simply the most complete player of the five. Bedard and Michkov are better offensive weapons, but it's not like Celebrini projects to me that his offense will be lacking. Hutson is a nifty offensive defenseman, which I'll admit having a slight bias against. I have no idea how to judge Demidov.

 

[HanSolo]

At this point there is nothing significant to beat when it comes to Bedard. Let’s stop pretending he’s playing like a world beater.

Just because he's not having a generational start the way a Crosby or McDavid did doesn't really limit his potential as a superstar forward. I don't think either Michkov or Bedard will be anything to write home about in terms of all around contribution but both should be 90-110 point forwards in their primes. I think Demidov can be too but it's hard to rank him before seeing him play in the NHL.

 

[UED]

Anyone who doesn't have Hutson and Demidov 1 and 2 is just a Habs hater. Everyone has seen how many assists Hutson has, it's not hidden info. And Demidov broke a few KHL records so he's better than Kucherov and Ovechkin. Is Michkov better than Kucherov and Ovechkin?