Who was the biggest omission from the Four Nations Cup rosters?

[cneely]

You equate Point, Hagel and Cirelli to Rob Zamuner?

Yeah what the hell do Jon Cooper and Doug Armstrong know?

You're making a spectacle of yourself.

Rob Zamuner had 50 points once. Something 27 year old Cirelli has never done.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kreider making it over anybody is a joke. Abdelkader-esque rn

 

[cneely]

And Brandon Hagel has become pretty good, over PPG since last season and elite 2-way metrics.

Scheifele is PPG over the last 8 years.

Cirelli is clearly a role player for Team Canada, elite defensive player.

Cool. Put Adam Lowry on the team then.

Point is obviously fine. I could even live with Hagel. Cirelli on this team is a joke.

 

[Three On Zero]

Bouchard is Canada's second most dominant defenseman. For his defensive warts which is extremely overblown, he is hockey's most dominant PP point man and has a knack for dramatic goals or plays. He should absolutely be on that team over some of these guys considered far less offensive and even worse defending.

Bouchard’s best attribute is the PP, and he’s not stealing that from Makar. He doesn’t have a place on a best on best roster with Makar healthy.

 

[Regal]

Scheifele is PPG over the last 8 years.

Cool. Put Adam Lowry on the team then.

Point is obviously fine. I could even live with Hagel. Cirelli on this team is a joke.

Scheifele is PPG while being significantly worse defensively and less productive at ES. He wouldn’t play on PP1 on Team Canada so he has no case to be there over Hagel.

Cirelli is a stretch based on his usual standards, but he’s PPG currently and 9 points back of Lowry’s career high. He’s a better player than Lowry.

 

[Regal]

You're making the same mistake team Canada made it seems in placing an inordinate amount of weight on a slow stretch in October and ignoring the larger body of work over the last 3 years. Guy scored 70 goals last year and has excellent chemistry with the best player on team Canada. It is downright dumb to not have him on the roster.

He would have at best been a bubble player going into last year, so talking about the larger body of work doesn’t make sense. He only would have been a lock to make it if he was producing like last year. This isn’t like Crosby having a slow start. He’s part of the group where his play this season was always going to be a deciding factor.

 

[10YearsHaveGotBehind]

He would have at best been a bubble player going into last year, so talking about the larger body of work doesn’t make sense. He only would have been a lock to make it if he was producing like last year. This isn’t like Crosby having a slow start. He’s part of the group where his play this season was always going to be a deciding factor.

Since Hyman joined the Oilers he's 5th among Canadian players in goals with 125. Only McDavid (154), Point (145), Reinhart (140), and MacKinnon (138) have more. He's also first among Canadians for playoff goals in that time with 30. So yes his larger body of work is very impressive and Canada left him off the team due to a cold month.

Its a short tournament where chemistry among players will be very important. And Canada decided that its best player didn't need one of his most regular linemates, one who happens to be one of Canada's top goal scorers.

Its a weird decision.

 

[cneely]

Cirelli is a stretch based on his usual standards, but he’s PPG currently and 9 points back of Lowry’s career high. He’s a better player than Lowry.

He's not a better player than Scheifele, Bedard, and probably 10 other Canadian forwards. His inclusion is awful.

 

[LeafLoyalist]

He's not a better player than Scheifele, Bedard, and probably 10 other Canadian forwards. His inclusion is awful.

It's clear anyone who has this opinion has never watched him play, they look at G&A, nothing else. He's finished top 5 in selke voting 3 times, has been instrumental as Tampas shutdown 2C for 3 stanley cup runs, and is currently having a career year. Even without the career year start this season he was already a candidate to be a role player on Team Canada. Name the other 10 Canadian forwards who have done what Cirelli has done. Filling a team with 12 forward who can just score is simply a recipe for disaster.

 

[Fatass]

It's clear anyone who has this opinion has never watched him play, they look at G&A, nothing else. He's finished top 5 in selke voting 3 times, has been instrumental as Tampas shutdown 2C for 3 stanley cup runs, and is currently having a career year. Even without the career year start this season he was already a candidate to be a role player on Team Canada. Name the other 10 Canadian forwards who have done what Cirelli has done. Filling a team with 12 forward who can just score is simply a recipe for disaster.

Yup. Guys who are stars on their club teams might have to be role players on their national team. Some club level stars are just better suited to play a more supporting role.

 

[cneely]

It's clear anyone who has this opinion has never watched him play, they look at G&A, nothing else. He's finished top 5 in selke voting 3 times, has been instrumental as Tampas shutdown 2C for 3 stanley cup runs, and is currently having a career year. Even without the career year start this season he was already a candidate to be a role player on Team Canada. Name the other 10 Canadian forwards who have done what Cirelli has done. Filling a team with 12 forward who can just score is simply a recipe for disaster.

Bullshit.

Guys who have skills (skating, hockey sense) can be asked to take on different roles. Look at Hawerchuk in '87. On a team with Gretzky and Lemieux he was asked to be a checker and he excelled. Taking guys like Rob Zamnuer over better players is a recipe for disaster.