Who should the Chicago Blackhawks select 2nd overall in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft?

[TLEH]

Absolutely

Silayev has potential to be Chara 2.0.

There's nothing outlandish about that.

Saying someone has the potential to be Datsyuk or Chara is equally as outlandish in my book. Two of the most unique players of the last 30 years.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Saying someone has the potential to be Datsyuk or Chara is equally as outlandish in my book. Two of the most unique players of the last 30 years.

Yep. It's like comparing somebody to Byfuglien. Like that's a f***ing unicorn.

 

[belfour30]

But I'm not sure if people are ignorant or just forgetting how good Datsyuk was. If Demidov was anywhere near close to him defensively he's not a winger that can play center he's the consensus first overall pick.

I think it's ridiculous too, don't get me wrong. Datsyuk is a unicorn.

This is what I'm reading though.

I wonder how much of Demidov not being in the conversation for 1OA is because he's in Russia and only a team's Russian scouts can scout him rn.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

"Ian Mitchell was all Darrell May and he deserves all the credit for it. That erases any blemishes since Ian Mitchell is generational.

Kelley 100% deserves another chance to prove he's still got it. But if he shits the bed during this year's draft, he has to go. Last year was just unacceptable. Vlasic over Robinson..."

Kevin Musto, Jun 18, 2020ReportBookmark

Who the hell is Robinson? I think he means Robertson, but still largely a joke.

Anyone remember Ethan Keppen and Peter Reynolds?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I think it's ridiculous too, don't get me wrong. Datsyuk is a unicorn.

This is what I'm reading though.

I wonder how much of Demidov not being in the conversation for 1OA is because he's in Russia and only a team's Russian scouts can scout him rn.

He's got Datsyuk's hands and creativity.

That's where the comparison starts and stops. Datsyuk is one of the best all around hockey players to ever lace em up.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Is this fancy stats or simply based on how much they scored in their league?

I was over the moon and pretty equal on Michkov-Bedard all last season & offseason. But I'm still at Demidov where I was with Mikchov in 2022. I would want to see it vs pros in the KHL. I'm not against drafting Demidov I'm just not into the score based or many highlight based plays when it's visible clear the mhl talent was so poor.

its based on NHLe I believe which is a metric that attemps to convert production into an NHL equivalent and then it probably has some machine learning model to find comparables given age, league, production etc

the comps people toss out are always 99th percentile but at least the data seems to suggest Demidov is an elite blue chip forward prospect...I have absolutely nothing to base it on but for whatever reason I just watched that post lottery interview with KD and thought they have their board set already and its Celebrini and Demidov 1a/1b and they just wanted one of the two to pair with Bedard up front given what they have in the pipeline...again nothing to base it on but the reaction to not caring about losing out on Celebrini much, or at least it appeared that way, smiling when espn panned to him after they were secured in top 2 etc

 

[Kevin Musto]

Saying someone has the potential to be Datsyuk or Chara is equally as outlandish in my book. Two of the most unique players of the last 30 years.

The difference is that Silayev actually is a unique prospect.

The last prospect of his ilk was Hedman.

There's a Demidov in every draft class.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Hossa was a two way monster. I haven’t seen anyone describe Demidov as such.

Hossa didn't start that way. I remember the scouting reports when he was drafting stating he wouldn't recognize his own goalie in a line-up. (I miss Hoss!) I have heard Demidov described as "relentless", which is a good characteristic for defensive presence.

The think that I thought was interesting for Demidov is that I heard he's been in the MHL from 15, and even as a 15 YO was putting up a PPG. This is a guy who "thinks" the game at an incredibly high level, and that tends to translate even if some of the moves that he pulls off won't work at the NHL level. I trust the guys with the hockey IQ a lot more than the early developing physical guys who dominate based on getting their man-strength before everyone else (aka - Zach Bogosian).

 

[bwana63]

I've made no outlandish claims regarding the projections of Silayev or Iginla.

Saying Demidov is the next Datsyuk, or that he's better than Kane... come the f*** on.

dude, you're the Captain of Outlandish Claims.

Strome, Mitchell, Vlasic, etc.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Absolutely

Silayev has potential to be Chara 2.0.

There's nothing outlandish about that.

Chara was a Norris winning defenseman that was the biggest and strongest human to ever play in the NHL. Silayev could hit and he won't be that.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The difference is that Silayev actually is a unique prospect.

The last prospect of his ilk was Hedman.

There's a Demidov in every draft class.

I hear what you're saying with regard to the size/skating/skill combo for Silayev. That is a really tempting combo that you almost never see. (Even Chara didn't have that skating smoothness, but he had the freakish farmer strength that made him a unicorn without the skating/offense.)

 

[bwana63]

But I'm not sure if people are ignorant or just forgetting how good Datsyuk was. If Demidov was anywhere near close to him defensively he's not a winger that can play center he's the consensus first overall pick.

yeah, hyperbole tends to reign supreme at this time of year. Demidov isn't mailing it in on D. If the projection is Datsyuk-lite, he's a flippin' no-brainer at 2

 

[hawksrule]

Hossa didn't start that way. I remember the scouting reports when he was drafting stating he wouldn't recognize his own goalie in a line-up. (I miss Hoss!) I have heard Demidov described as "relentless", which is a good characteristic for defensive presence.

The think that I thought was interesting for Demidov is that I heard he's been in the MHL from 15, and even as a 15 YO was putting up a PPG. This is a guy who "thinks" the game at an incredibly high level, and that tends to translate even if some of the moves that he pulls off won't work at the NHL level. I trust the guys with the hockey IQ a lot more than the early developing physical guys who dominate based on getting their man-strength before everyone else (aka - Zach Bogosian).

I agree about valuing the hockey IQ. Separately, and this isn’t directed at you, I find limited value in people constantly taking every prospect and projecting their upside comps to the best players of all time. It tells us nothing about the prospects or their most probable outcomes.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I agree about valuing the hockey IQ. Separately, and this isn’t directed at you, I find limited value in people constantly taking every prospect and projecting their upside comps to the best players of all time. It tells us nothing about the prospects or their most probable outcomes.

Strongly agree with the bolded. I just feel like it's disrespectful to the original player as well, because in my life there's only been 1 Datsyuk (or Chara). The challenge is that people can take one characteristic that players have in common (Russian and hockey IQ for Datsyuk, or height for Chara) and then every player who is similar in that regard is supposed to be HOF V2.0.

I understand what people are trying to do with those comparison in that the intention is "style" of player and not a direct projection.

 

[WarriorofTime]

dude, you're the Captain of Outlandish Claims.

Strome, Mitchell, Vlasic, etc.

Not trying to be rude, but does Musto even have any notable hits? Kind of seems like he's just always wrong, lol. You could throw a dart at the draft board and likely have a better track record.

 

[belfour30]

Seems like people are just saying ridiculous things for clicks. Should probably ignore them

 

[belfour30]

 

[x Tame Impala]

He's got Datsyuk's hands and creativity.

That's where the comparison starts and stops. Datsyuk is one of the best all around hockey players to ever lace em up.

Not even Kane had Datsyuk's hands. I never watched Kovalev play sadly but Datsyuk was far and away the most talented with dekes and puck control. Kane is a very close second IMHO

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Not even Kane had Datsyuk's hands. I never watched Kovalev play sadly but Datsyuk was far and away the most talented with dekes and puck control. Kane is a very close second IMHO

Kane has the hands he just didn't have the absolute freak edge work that made Datsyuk so incredible.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Not trying to be rude, but does Musto even have any notable hits? Kind of seems like he's just always wrong, lol. You could throw a dart at the draft board and likely have a better track record.

World's highest ranking of Quinn Hughes

Dawson Mercer > Lukas Reichel

Believing in the great Dylan Strome when everyone else labelled him a certified bust that would never have a long term NHL career

Slafkovsky 1st overall in December 2021 when everyone else had him outside the top 5

Too early for most rankings to have hit or missed though

 

[WarriorofTime]

World's highest ranking of Quinn Hughes

Dawson Mercer > Lukas Reichel

Believing in the great Dylan Strome when everyone else labelled him a certified bust that would never have a long term NHL career

Slafkovsky 1st overall in December 2021 when everyone else had him outside the top 5

Too early for most rankings to have hit or missed though

33 point, -26 on a non-Blackhawks team Dawson Mercer being on your greatest hits is pretty meh

 

[CanadianHawks]

Levshunov. His progression the past few years has been remarkable. Hawks took a player with a similar progression in Korchinski

 

[Kevin Musto]

33 point, -26 on a non-Blackhawks team Dawson Mercer being on your greatest hits is pretty meh

In due time.

More hits are on their way.

 

[WarriorofTime]

True. The musto all stars. Coming to an AHL roster near you.

 

[Kevin Musto]

True. The musto all stars. Coming to an AHL roster near you.

We're just beginning to see the start of Khusnutdinov's greatness