Kevin Musto
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These boys are healthyI'm not on board - multiple knee injuries at 18 is a bad sign.
These boys are healthyI'm not on board - multiple knee injuries at 18 is a bad sign.
It's a routine injury that happens all the time and is usually pretty minor. It's hockey, players get hurt (see most recent Blackhawks season), running away because a player suffered a pretty normal injury in the 2nd to last game his team played this year would be beyond foolish. "performed by Russian doctors", you speak like Russia is North Korea...Again, he's in Russia. How exactly will they be doing their "due diligence" on his medicals? That will be in Russian, performed by Russian doctors, and likely be influenced by his agent. (you know, Russian corruption).
There's absolutely no way to verify the status of his knee without having him come over, and evaluating it yourself.
There are MILLIONS of dollars on the line here. To believe his medicals wouldn't be doctored to show exactly what they need to show to keep him at #2, is naive.
I mean, as I re-watched that celebration vid again and again it doesn't look like to me that his knee is fixated in any way, it clearly bends and apparently moves rather freely.Based on the video of the injury, most likely injuries would be the MCL at the knee or a high ankle sprain. The boot suggests the latter.
There are a couple Athletic articles that quote his agent Dan Milstein as saying knee injury and won't require surgery. Then this.He had crutches, but he was holding those, not walking on them. Do you have some link for what his agent was saying? I don't think I've read that, probably missed it.
There are a couple Athletic articles that quote his agent Dan Milstein as saying knee injury and won't require surgery. Then this.
Translation:
INFO:
Ivan Demidov is recovering well from his knee injury suffered in the MHL final. He won't need surgery. He is expected to return to full fitness before the draft and will therefore be able to train without restrictions for the upcoming season.
There are a couple Athletic articles that quote his agent Dan Milstein as saying knee injury and won't require surgery. Then this.
Translation:
INFO:
Ivan Demidov is recovering well from his knee injury suffered in the MHL final. He won't need surgery. He is expected to return to full fitness before the draft and will therefore be able to train without restrictions for the upcoming season.
It's a routine injury that happens all the time and is usually pretty minor. It's hockey, players get hurt (see most recent Blackhawks season), running away because a player suffered a pretty normal injury in the 2nd to last game his team played this year would be beyond foolish. "performed by Russian doctors", you speak like Russia is North Korea...
If Demidov had a jaw injury, there wouldn't be any discussion about itStill on board with going full Demigod.
Bedard had his jaw broken this year. Injuries happen.
Seems like Demidov will be 100% before the draft and will be able to train with no problems for the rest of the off season.
Hawks are going to their due diligence with him. As they will with Levshunov, Silyev, Lindstrom, Buium, Dickinson and the rest...
Yakupov doesn’t even make sense if your concern is the MHL as he played in the OHL. Any major junior darling could be that regardless of where they are from.
If Demidov had a jaw injury, there wouldn't be any discussion about it
I'm not saying the Hawks shouldn't draft him. Not by any means. I think he has the highest ceiling, and is the most talented player in the draft, outside of Celebrini. I just think that I'd take pause on the Hawks drafting him if their own doctors aren't able to examine him and do their due diligence to confirm he's not going to have continued leg problems moving forward. The Hawks essentially HAVE to hit on this player to give them a realistic shot at building another contender, IMO. So drafting a guy who is going to be a constant injury risk would suck.I saw a quote on the main boards and there Milstein just told that no surgery will be required, didn't specify what the injury is, I have no idea where this Martenau guy is getting his info from though. Still on that vid from two weeks ago he doesn't seem to be bothered by the knee, but is definitely bothered by the ankle.
Right and that's why the comparison didn't make sense, unless it's just blindly speculating on how a prospect could bust, which is the same as anyone...I said he played in NA in my post.
And, his success over here was part of why he was touted so highly.
It might be surprising, but I'm not exactly a fan of Demidov. However when I come here and read some strange arguments like "you can't evaluate someone in the MHL" or about this mysterious knee injury that noone in Russia has heard of and that allows him to almost to dance on the ice in that celebration vid... I mean, I don't even know how to react to that.I'm not saying the Hawks shouldn't draft him. Not by any means. I think he has the highest ceiling, and is the most talented player in the draft, outside of Celebrini. I just think that I'd take pause on the Hawks drafting him if their own doctors aren't able to examine him and do their due diligence to confirm he's not going to have continued leg problems moving forward. The Hawks essentially HAVE to hit on this player to give them a realistic shot at building another contender, IMO.
Right and that's why the comparison didn't make sense, unless it's just blindly speculating on how a prospect could bust, which is the same as anyone...
I assume you're in Russia? If so, if you have sources that contradict the report from his agent and all of the NA scouting regarding his knee, even if in Russian, please share them? Kind of proves our point about players in Russia though, doesn't it? We can't even get a definitive report on WHAT he injured.It might be surprising, but I'm not exactly a fan of Demidov. However when I come here and read some strange arguments like "you can't evaluate someone in the MHL" or about this mysterious knee injury that noone in Russia has heard of and that allows him to almost to dance on the ice in that celebration vid... I mean, I don't even know how to react to that.
What proves your point that it’s a serious injury that requires surgery though?I assume you're in Russia? If so, if you have sources that contradict the report from his agent and all of the NA scouting regarding his knee, even if in Russian, please share them? Kind of proves our point about players in Russia though, doesn't it? We can't even get a definitive report on WHAT he injured.
What about Demidov do you not like?It might be surprising, but I'm not exactly a fan of Demidov. However when I come here and read some strange arguments like "you can't evaluate someone in the MHL" or about this mysterious knee injury that noone in Russia has heard of and that allows him to almost to dance on the ice in that celebration vid... I mean, I don't even know how to react to that.
It might be surprising, but I'm not exactly a fan of Demidov. However when I come here and read some strange arguments like "you can't evaluate someone in the MHL" or about this mysterious knee injury that noone in Russia has heard of and that allows him to almost to dance on the ice in that celebration vid... I mean, I don't even know how to react to that.
What about Demidov do you not like?