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Who should the Canucks select at third?


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I was so sure we were taking Malhotra but now the noise seems to be we're going with someone else.

Honestly for the best; he'd be miscast as some sort of future savior top 10 center and when he inevitably falls short of that ridiculous ceiling we'd have had drama on our hands, again.

Stenberg or one of the D is far better for us given our current inventory of Malhotra's 😂
 
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I was so sure we were taking Malhotra but now the noise seems to be we're going with someone else.

Honestly for the best; he'd be miscast as some sort of future savior top 10 center and when he inevitably falls short of that ridiculous ceiling we'd have had drama on our hands, again.

Stenberg or one of the D is far better for us given our current inventory of Malhotra's 😂
I think Malhotra would receive extra attention due to his last name, but I don't think the expectations would be any different if we draft another player. On the plus side, Malhotra does project to play the type of game that Canucks fans usually like.
 
Basically, my only "do not draft" player at this spot is Chase Reid. Not a knock on his skill, but I simply wouldn't chance picking a player from the USA at this spot. If we want a defensemen, I'd go with Carels or Verhoeff in that order. If we want a forward, I think whicever of the big 3 (McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra) are great, or even Viggo Bjorck.
 
Basically, my only "do not draft" player at this spot is Chase Reid. Not a knock on his skill, but I simply wouldn't chance picking a player from the USA at this spot. If we want a defensemen, I'd go with Carels or Verhoeff in that order. If we want a forward, I think whicever of the big 3 (McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra) are great, or even Viggo Bjorck.
I would say, if they go D, I like Carels as the pick over the 2 RHD.
 
I came into this draft wanting a C or a D but now I want Malhotra because of how terrible the average poster's arguments against him have been.
So true though…

I think he is who I would prefer, but it’s close… but man the people who do t want to take him have mostly been terrible takes.
 
Basically, my only "do not draft" player at this spot is Chase Reid. Not a knock on his skill, but I simply wouldn't chance picking a player from the USA at this spot. If we want a defensemen, I'd go with Carels or Verhoeff in that order. If we want a forward, I think whicever of the big 3 (McKenna, Stenberg, Malhotra) are great, or even Viggo Bjorck.
This is how I see it. Reid is not a clear cut BPA so I have no idea why we would not go with the nasty Canadian defender if we go dman.
 
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So true though…

I think he is who I would prefer, but it’s close… but man the people who do t want to take him have mostly been terrible takes.

Yeah it's awful to have to read the same poorly thought out argument every day by a new poster thinking they cracked the case.

- The Canucks should only take BPA which conveniently couldn't ever be Malhotra.

- They shouldn't be drafting based on positional need, which is conveniently only used to sidestep having to construct an actual argument against Malhotra as if the team doesn't need everything. Sorry guys, the team needs good wingers, can't take Stenberg either!

- The Canucks can't draft Malhotra because of the optics, but the Canucks NOT drafting the BPA because of optics is even worse.

- Drafting Malhotra would make the media crazy, ignoring that not drafting Malhotra and him succeeding would make them infinitely more crazy.
 
Chase Reid - My 7th overall prospect

Chase Reid was clearly the best player on the ice in the CHL games that I watched, and was probably the US's best defenseman at the U20s. I thought, and still do think, that the criticism of his "low" point per game average was a bit silly, since he was the main offensive driver on a team that included former 5th overall pick Brady Martin. It only takes about one shift to recognize that he has elite hands/edgework and offensive playmaking at the CHL level,

In one of the playoff games between London and the Soo I saw Reid pick the puck up on the right point, fake a slap shot, easily beat the forward by putting the puck between his legs while turning, then fake out another forward and make a no look pass to his teammate, who fanned on the shot. I tried to find it again, but gave up as it just wasn't worth my time. It was sort of like this other play he made, but much nicer.


Anyway, it's not particularly contentious to claim that Reid is an elite puck handler at the CHL level, especially with regards to zone entries and exploiting 1v1's.


He was also (reportedly) 6'3 and 195lbs. Physical play isn't his forte, but I saw him throw a nice neutral zone hit which checked off a "good enough physicality" box. All that put together should explain why and I didn't bother looking at him with a finer toothed comb. I got the Makar comparisons, even if I thought they were optimistic, and thought the general consensus of him being worth the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in the draft seemed about right.

But after coming back to Reid's tape a lot of the shine has come off. First, while this may sound minimal, I was promised a player who was 6'3, 195lbs. He measured in at 6'2.5 and 190lbs at the combine. Not bad, but a little disappointing. Every bit less size makes him a less safe prospect, especially when his lighter frame matches what I see when I watch his games. He wins about his share of board battles, but I've seen random, mid-sized CHL teenagers bullying him in the corners.

Here he clearly loses positioning against that forward, and gets bailed out by his center.


Chiarot muscles him off the puck even though he starts with plenty of space to make a play.


Here he tries a one on one move at the point against undrafted 20 year old Hayden Reid, listed at 6'0, 180lbs. He fails to juke him out, and easily muscled off the puck, which leads to a turnover.


Still, Reid has a good stick, and I don't need my PP1QB to be a physically dominant player. More concerning is that his skating really isn't elite even at the CHL level. His edgework/agility definitely is, which caused me to initially assume that the rest of his skating was. Players don't go full out most shifts, but after multiple games I started to wonder why I had never seen top end speed or quickness from this guy, when he'd been in plenty of footraces by that point.

Here he loses what should have been, at minimum, a 50/50 race to retreive the puck.


Sometimes his legs look almost sluggish. Sure, he was almost fifty seconds into his shift at that point, but he hadn't done much more than coast around. I keep wanting to see more juice in those legs.


About the fastest I've ever seen him skate is this play here, which seems more like great speed, than truly elite.


He's far from the fastest guy on his own team. Even some guy I'd never heard of, Jeremy Martin, is noticeably faster. Although, as an aside, I really liked that guy. Undrafted 19 year old. Listed at 6'1, 190lbs, scored 26 goals, great speed. I'd probably take him with a late round flier.

Anyway, Reid's lack of elite speed/quickness combined with his average physical play is why he isn't nearly as good as I kept hoping he'd be at puck retrievals. He's easier to forecheck at the CHL level than Makar is at the NHL level. It was very disappointing going from watching Smits, Gustafsson, and Sokolovskii, all of whom excel at puck retrievals, to watching Reid's tape.


I was also increasingly disappointed with his neutral zone defensive play. He is overall good, and makes some eye catching neutral zone interceptions. Part of that is due to his great transitions and reach. Unfortunately, part of that is due to his at times bizarrely over aggressive style, which looks a lot better in highlight videos than game film.

Decision aside, the execution was also awful. He didn't pressure the initial puckhandler one bit, and then easily let him beat him to the net. That'll get him benched in the NHL.

I even began to question his elite hands. His stickhandling is incredibly smooth, but he has a weirdly high number of off-target passes. I think this is just a concentration thing, or a miscommunication, not innate, but I saw too many passes like this.


Still, I do really like Reid as a prospect. I project him to have moderately below average size/strength, above average overall skating, and great/excellent hands at the NHL level. He has a very credible chance at being about the tenth best PP1QB in the league, although I expect he'll be closer to 20th. Unlike, say, Villeneuve, I expect his defensive 5v5 play to be at least adequate at the NHL level, making him a relatively safe gamble. If he's a little worse than I expect he's still probably a bottom pair guy who's a contributor on the second unit powerplay.

Even that low end projection is a valuable player, especially as a right handed shot. Five years from now if whatever team drafts him thinks they've found a better PP1QB guy, I'd expect Reid to command a very nice return for them in a trade. I just think people should lower their expectations. You're hoping for a player like Morgan Reilly, Cam Fowler, or maybe Bowen Byram. He's not the next Makar.



He'll be fun to watch, for better or for worse.
 
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Great to see Cole Caulfield and Lane Hutson pushing back on the narrative that American born players hate getting drafted by Canadian teams, and can't wait to exercise their options to leave.

The political situation and all the residual resentment of the Olympic Hockey Tournament has really poisoned the well right now.

Hopefully it will all pass, and we can all go back to just debating which kid is the best draft option--regardless of nationality.
 
Malhotra, his dad is the coach.
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Great to see Cole Caulfield and Lane Hutson pushing back on the narrative that American born players hate getting drafted by Canadian teams, and can't wait to exercise their options to leave.

The political situation and all the residual resentment of the Olympic Hockey Tournament has really poisoned the well right now.

Hopefully it will all pass, and we can all go back to just debating which kid is the best draft option--regardless of nationality.

Its nice when you have a great young core to play with. The issue is , MTL is like the top case/example.

MTL is one of the biggest hockey markets in the world. When you are winning, you wont get that feeling anywhere else.

Of course when you build a great culture, have a young core in a winning team in a good hockey market you arent going to want to leave. Those things can change quickly though.

Like yeah if we replicate the 2011 team, they will stay. How difficult is that though. What if in 5 years we are a wild card team and Buium + Reid want out? then what do you do?

The media stirring the Malhotra thing will be licking their chops and will be asking Chase Reid on his commitment to the franchise from Day 1 all the way to when his contract expires. its not the end all be all, but its definitely something to consider. Id still rather have Q Hughes than Adam Boqvist who went right after him. Im still glad we took him even though hes American, but he was viewed on a different level of talent. Is Reid that?
 
Its nice when you have a great young core to play with. The issue is , MTL is like the top case/example.

MTL is one of the biggest hockey markets in the world. When you are winning, you wont get that feeling anywhere else.

Of course when you build a great culture, have a young core in a winning team in a good hockey market you arent going to want to leave. Those things can change quickly though.

Like yeah if we replicate the 2011 team, they will stay. How difficult is that though. What if in 5 years we are a wild card team and Buium + Reid want out? then what do you do?

The media stirring the Malhotra thing will be licking their chops and will be asking Chase Reid on his commitment to the franchise from Day 1 all the way to when his contract expires. its not the end all be all, but its definitely something to consider. Id still rather have Q Hughes than Adam Boqvist who went right after him. Im still glad we took him even though hes American, but he was viewed on a different level of talent. Is Reid that?
I recall I was expecting and hoping for Dobson as I figured Quinn was going to AZ or Det. Boqvist the concussions and size had me scared. Bouchard, skating. Dobson seemed like a better all around D.

Sadly, in this market, that is what will get talked about. No different than in Philly where the talk was all AJ Brown and his relationship with QB Hurts.
 
After the trades today, I wonder about San Jose. I hope they take the d-man Reid, but it seems they might have a few more tricks up their sleeves.

While it will be a tough choice, I hope Stenberg and Malhotra will still be there at #3 for us, and I hope we make the right decision.
 
After the trades today, I wonder about San Jose. I hope they take the d-man Reid, but it seems they might have a few more tricks up their sleeves.

While it will be a tough choice, I hope Stenberg and Malhotra will still be there at #3 for us, and I hope we make the right decision.
At #2 and 9, nothing is assured at #9.

Who is likely left?
Maybe at most 1 of Smits/Verheoff or neither.
Bjorck, Lawrence, Belchetz, Rudolph, Gustafsson

Kind of too much variability to base pick 2 on who you think may be there at pick 9. Like who you like at #2 and go with him. If what you hope happens to be there at 9 great. If not, have to pivot based on what is there.
 
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I was excited for Stenberg falling but after today my dreams look to be crushed, now what’s left are question marks all over the place and it honestly sucks.

Reid and the MAGA, American factor who plays Defence and probably the position we are the most set going forward.

Malhotra being the Coaches son and the drama around that scenario and all the media attention around that.

Verhoeff who slipped the 2nd half and has questions with his IQ and Skating.

Carels who is probably more slated to go 5 or 6th overall who also is a LHD where we already have Buium.

We are going to get a good player regardless but the disappointment seems at this point to be inevitable and watching players like Byram go for 4th and 45th overall picks when we are sitting on guys like Hronek is very deflating, instead we announce RBC will be on our home jerseys this year.
 
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Malhotra feels like the upside play. Much younger than most of the other top players, and the development curve is great. I can’t separate the D whereas Bjorck is the only one challenging Malhotra. But still 5’9 at the combine suggests he might be done growing.
 

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