Speculation: Who is the worst shape going into the expansion draft?

[57special]

Because the league would not allow it. They will likely lay down a rule that your position will tbat where you played the most games at over the last year or something along those lines

I would think they would go back a couple of years.

 

[sketch22]

If I understand the rules correctly the Hawks are positioned perfectly for the expansion draft.

Panarin, Motte, Schmaltz, Forsling, and Kempny are all exempt because they have will have played 2 or less years in the pros by that time. Desi, Soupy, Rosi, and Darling are all UFAs.

Which will allow the Hawks to protect Toews, Kane, Hossa, Anisimov, Hartman, Panik, and one more (Kruger or Moose) forward. Defensively they will protect Keith, Seebs, and Hammer.

Which means the best LV can hope for from the Hawks is Kruger, TvR, Pokka, and a bunch of AHL fodder. And that doesn't even take into account the possibility that one or both of TvR/Pokka could be moved for help this season.

This whole the Hawks have no depth thing is BS the depth is just young, playing well, and looking better every game. The expansion draft wont change that at all. The only players availble from the Hawks will be either Kruger (who is probably gone for cap reasons anyways) or totally meaningless spare parts.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Currently, I'd say Tampa and Anaheim.

I think Anaheim will make two things happen before the expansion draft. Bieksa will asked to be waived, and if he won't, he'll be bought out. No way do they waste a spot on him.

They'll trade one of Fowler, Manson, or Vatanen before the expansion draft for a scoring forward.

They'll protect:

7 forwards:
Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Acquired player
Cogliano

3 defenseman:
Lindholm
2 of Vatanen/Fowler/Manson

Goalie: Gibson

exposed: Vermette, Boll, Stoner, and Bieksa (if he waives)

Doesn't Vermette have a NMC? Think it expires the day free agency starts which is also after the expansion draft.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Phil Kessel.

Nope.

As I say this with my kessel Jersey on

Edit: and I understand this is a joke on kessel s body even though he is in great shape

 

[Kale Hulls]

I think it's the Ducks, but Minnesota and San Jose could lose a really good player too.

 

[darkwingduck]

Doesn't Vermette have a NMC? Think it expires the day free agency starts which is also after the expansion draft.

It expires 6/16/17, before the expansion draft.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'd say so.

They'll lose one of Karlsson, Calvert, Savard or Johnson.

And this is a decent scenario wherein I assumed one of their NMCs is waived (Clarkson).

Clarkson won't have to waive. Missing the whole season will make him exempt.

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

Injured Players

Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed the previous 60+ consecutive games do to an injury, do not meet the criteria set forth by the league in respect to the minimum exposure requirements for players, and in certain cases these players may even be deemed as exempt from the Expansion Draft selection process.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Phil Kessel.

... is a Stanley Cup Champion

(This will never get old.)

 

[duckpuck]

I wonder if teams (eg Pittsburgh) will expose high salaried players (like Fleury) and then offer Vegas a draft pick or prospect to induce Vegas to take him. Fleury's contract will be tough to move otherwise. Vegas can then flip Fleury (perhaps with retention) for additional assets. Detroit would probably love to do the same thing with Howard.

Ducks could do something similar with Stoner/Bieksa - plus a pick or prospect.

Also, I fully expect a flurry of trades prior to the expansion draft. For example, the ducks could trade Manson/Vatanen (who they presumably might lose in expansion) for a package of exempt players.

Bottom line, I think their will be a lot of wheeling and dealing. Vegas should be able to score a ton of prospects and picks and field a decent team. The haul will be even bigger if Vegas agrees to take bad contracts from teams with cap problems.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

It expires 6/16/17, before the expansion draft.

Ahh ok. Just saw. Thanks.

 

[Maukkis]

I wonder if teams (eg Pittsburgh) will expose high salaried players (like Fleury) and then offer Vegas a draft pick or prospect to induce Vegas to take him. Fleury's contract will be tough to move otherwise. Vegas can then flip Fleury (perhaps with retention) for additional assets. Detroit would probably love to do the same thing with Howard.

Ducks could do something similar with Stoner/Bieksa - plus a pick or prospect.

Also, I fully expect a flurry of trades prior to the expansion draft. For example, the ducks could trade Manson/Vatanen (who they presumably might lose in expansion) for a package of exempt players.

Bottom line, I think their will be a lot of wheeling and dealing. Vegas should be able to score a ton of prospects and picks and field a decent team. The haul will be even bigger if Vegas agrees to take bad contracts from teams with cap problems.

They can't expose Fleury. That's pretty much the whole problem.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

I'm personally worried what Benning will do at the expansion draft assuming he's not fired by then. I'm not really panicking losing a key if all the important guys are protected.

Sedin
Sedin
Eriksson
Horvat
Baertschi
Hansen
Sutter

Edler
Tanev
Gudbranson

Markstrom

Exempt: Stecher, Hutton, Tryamkin, Virtanen

Guys up for claim: Dorsett, Sbisa, Granlund, Gaunce


Is what I see it being, but I'm scared he'll do something
like protect Dorsett over Hansen in which case you'd think Hansen is going to Vegas. If Benning plays it smart Vegas will be taking a relatively unimportant player.

 

[Ruutu Tootoo]

Question:

Damon Severson is a RFA this coming off season. Does he need to be protected, or is he still exempt from expansion draft coming off of his ELC?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Isn't Columbus like really screwed?

If screwed means having a top 3 dcore of Werenski, Jones, & Murray - sign me up!!

They'll definitely lose a solid player/prospect (Savard, Johnson etc.), but I doubt they lose a potential impact player.

 

[Pennaduck]

I think it would be easier to tell which team is in worse shape if everyone listed the likeliest unprotected players at the current time (without speculating that player xyz will be traded or change their NMC).

Jets:
If they protect 3 D, then I'd guess Myers is by far the best player left unprotected.
If they protect 4 D, then I'd guess Armia, Dano, and Lowry are the best available players.

Who do you pick out of these three if you are Vegas? I like Armia more I think, but don't see enough of any of them to say for sure.

 

[Pennaduck]

Doesn't Vermette have a NMC? Think it expires the day free agency starts which is also after the expansion draft.

Vermette's NMC is essentially auto-waived for the expansion draft. I think it expires right before, and picks back up right after. No issue there from anything that I have read.

Edit: or maybe it doesn't resume at all, as one of the ducks fans upthread mentioned.

 

[Pennaduck]

Every team will get stung a bit ,the league has learned its lesson .Plopping a team in a non tradional market .And them finishing dead last for a decade likely leads to failure .So iam good with this ,i only wish they would have done the same with my team when they came in

Yeah I'm good with it too, considering it will add a lot more excitement to the trade deadline, and early summer months. I worry though that another expansion draft of similar guidelines will happen in the next few years for team #32, which will once again mean teams have to lose a decent player.

Once is fine, twice in a few years will be annoying

 

[Draiskull]

Question:

Damon Severson is a RFA this coming off season. Does he need to be protected, or is he still exempt from expansion draft coming off of his ELC?

Severson is not exempt. Only players with 2 pro years or less are exempt.
Even Blandisi is not exempt

 

[pbgoalie]

What happens with injured players in the Draft?

Let's say Despres had played enough games to be draft eligible but then was
LTI can he be left unprotected?

 

[3074326]

Phil Kessel.

Nice guy. Tries hard. Loves the game.

What about him?

 

[varano]

Nice guy. Tries hard. Loves the game.

What about him?

I hate when guys hack on kessel. Dude is a ****ing cancer survivor and guys hack on his body
when he has One ball and can skate faster than any of us can.

 

[mikeyp24]

Isn't Columbus like really screwed?

Right now it's Jack Johnson exposed on D. Cam Atkinson/Josh Anderson are the 7th player we protect so one of them Calvert and Karlson. All of them are guys I want to keep but losing 1 won't kill us. People just think protecting guys like Foligno and Hartnell hurt us.

 

[PaulGG]

Each team just losses one player for nothing in return but still I don't see that as a big deal especially for teams that are really deep at every position.
For the stacked teams the cap is really a bigger concern.

 

[Nolan Giesbrecht]

Who do you pick out of these three if you are Vegas? I like Armia more I think, but don't see enough of any of them to say for sure.

Armia has been nothing short of amazing this year and is now, of course, out for the next 6 weeks.

A few on the Jets board have even wondered out loud if he might be protected over Perreault (won't happen - he just signed an extension). I think either a D gets traded for an exempt D or they ask Enstrom to waive his NMC so we can protect 7 forwards.

 

[punk_o_holic]

The people who think Columbus is screwed haven't been paying attention, they are probably in the best shape or in consideration for being in the best shape.

Jenner, Dubinsky, Foligno, Hartnell, Wennberg, Atkinson, Saad all protected, Murray, Savard, Jones all protected.

Sure Korpisalo could be grabbed, but so can Murray, Vail or Bishop in TB, Subban in Boston, Saros or Rinne in Nash, Varlamov from Colorado, etc

CBJ would probably lose one of Jack Johnson, Matt Calvert, Bill Karlsson, or a prospect like Bjorkstrand or Anderson or Milano, but Johnson and Bjorkstrand would be the only ones who really hurt.

As a Jackets fan, I would be pissed if they lost Anderson. It will be interesting though, do you protect the young 3rd liner in Anderson or Atkinson? Atkinson is one of their better offensive players but he would have 1 year left before becoming a UFA. You could potentially lose both Anderson and Atkinson within a year. It would also suck if they lose Karlsson imo. As for Korpisalo, lose him but at least you still have Forsberg(although Forsberg in the NHL has struggled badly). Losing Johnson won't be as bad. He is a UFA after 1 more season. If he gets claimed, you have his money to play around with when free agency starts. Same goes for Calvert. Losing him, Atkinson, or Johnson might hurt for next season but long term, not so much.