Michael Farkas
Celebrate 68
Yeah, there's some names in this thread...Danault, Maruk, Linden...Grubauer, who I wouldn't trust to get me a glass of water...quite a list...
regarding kesler, is/was breaks my heart.Useful player, but my Kesler suggestion has been universally panned, and Kesler is/was a better player.
Assuming Kolzig were to have won in 98 then he 100% also wins the Conn Smythe, which definitely helps his case.Hehh... I think he still misses, but on that type of candidacy, I prefer Kiprusoff.
not including the lock to get in, onlyIf the Caps did win that year then Bondra is another player who has a stronger case. Poor guy, I don't know how many other 500 goal scorers aren't in the HoF.
Linden was shipped out of town because of Mike Keenan, not because of Messier. There was never any problem between Linden and Messier.
(On another topic, does anyone agree with me that Messier did not score the goal you refer to...? It seems to me someone else did.)
The OP already acknowleged this in his first post and explained his reasons for mentioning them.
Goal might have been brian noonan, messier swept his stick at the puck. Messier was given credit but you cant legitimately tell me if messier got a piece of the puck or not.
Kovalchuk
So he wins the Cup in 2012 with the Devils. Does he get in? If he wins he is in the running for the Smythe, with Brodeur. Depending on what he does in the Cup final though. Because he was awful in the Cup final, 1 point in 6 games. It is part of why they lost. Or does he belong regardless? 443 career goals? The guy scored a ton of goals in a short time.
Fleury and Mogilny not in the hall shows what a joke it isFleury with another cup would make his resume very stacked. I could see him being a HOF even with the career he ha
His scoring races finishes (for goals and points) are very impressive, but it seems many on this board discredit him because he was a "bad team scorer" who received a ton of PP and overall ice time and didn't have defensive responsibilities. You do have to wonder how much a strong showing in the 2012 SCF and a Cup win would have enhanced his reputation and odds of making it into the HHOF.
Leaving and going to the KHL screwed his chances. He would have kept his scoring stats and probably gotten 600 NHL goals the right way had he stayed. Doing this in the best league in the world would have helped.
I will add that before Roenick was announced as an inductee he was a poster boy for a guy that needed a Cup for the HHOF. 1992 comes to mind. Chelios wins the Smythe if the Hawks win, I think, but Roenick would have been right there.
if chicago wins in 92, there is zero argument for anybody other than chelios. even in a finals sweep that was one of the greatest dmen playoff runs of all time.
Not really. I personally wouldn't put either of those guys in, but then again I would also take out about 50% of the guys who are already in...Fleury and Mogilny not in the hall shows what a joke it is