Who is going to be a surprise in this year's Training Camp?

[GaryPoppins]

I think so too, but also leaving you wanting and expecting more. That wish was never fulfilled.

All the tools but zero hockey sense.

 

[voyageur]

He went on to have a pretty mediocre KHL career.

Ruined by Thrashers? Jets? KHL? We'll never know.

Going back to Russia gave him bad habits that he brought back to the NHL...Starting as an 18 year old 4C between Thorburn and Eric Boulton wouldn't have been the Jets way...they would have let him grow his game in the OHL. But his departure led to Adam Lowry's development as a center, which turned out to be a good move.

 

[WolfHouse]

Now, if only Scheifele had owned up like that to his dirty hit on Evans.

Oh yeah, I know I'm pushing a button here.

Its never too early to start a 10 page Scheifele argument.

 

[DRW204]

Well reading some posts on this forum,
I'll be surprised if Elias Salomonsson and Lambert aren't top-4d or 2c this year given HF users expert postings.

 

[macmaroon]

Well reading some posts on this forum,
I'll be surprised if Elias Salomonsson and Lambert aren't top-4d or 2c this year given HF users expert postings.

Hey, don't forget about Lee Stempniak coming out of retirement to play one last season withe the Jets...

 

[Buffdog]

Well reading some posts on this forum,
I'll be surprised if Elias Salomonsson and Lambert aren't top-4d or 2c this year given HF users expert postings.

Yup. And Ehlers will win the Hart trophy once everyone learns how to interpret data like the statsnerds do

 

[voyageur]

Well reading some posts on this forum,
I'll be surprised if Elias Salomonsson and Lambert aren't top-4d or 2c this year given HF users expert postings.

You have to like the confidence of these kids. Optimistically it would be nice to see a Jets player competing in Calder voting, it's been awhile.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Well reading some posts on this forum,
I'll be surprised if Elias Salomonsson and Lambert aren't top-4d or 2c this year given HF users expert postings.

People are entitled to their opinions. Up to you to disagree respectfully vs the super non-condescending narrative your pushing up here.

This is a place to share in something everyone loves; choose respect vs ass-hattery!

 

[Flair Hay]

Yup. And Ehlers will win the Hart trophy once everyone learns how to interpret data like the statsnerds do

Still holding out hope that those numbers continue to hold up and we could get more out of each of Scheif, Connor and Ehlers by just shuffling around their spots in the lineup.

May be one thing that can help the team a lot that isn't hoping for a big trade to improve as a team. Totally within our control. And the previous decision maker has stepped aside to make room for a new one.

It's the new season and that brings optimism for everyone

 

[WolfgangPuck]

My surprise prediction.
Jets sign 36 old vet in Phil Kessel to PTO Hoping a wildly vet with Limited playing time can boost up their PP
Doesn’t make he Jets team.
Phil the Thrill Kessel fails the pre camp physical
before he gets on the ice

 

[Huffer]

People are entitled to their opinions. Up to you to disagree respectfully vs the super non-condescending narrative your pushing up here.

This is a place to share in something everyone loves; choose respect vs ass-hattery!

Lot's of strawmen over and over from the same posters

 

[Jets 31]

Really hope Heinola finally plays like most hoped, more than anything this team needs some puck moving defenseman and another defenseman that can add some offense instead of only Morrissey .

 

[voyageur]

Really hope Heinola finally plays like most hoped, more than anything this team needs some puck moving defenseman and another defenseman that can add some offense instead of only Morrissey .

Pionk generates offense too. But he's been tied to Lowry's shutdown line for a few years now. So it's not necessarily productive offense.

I'd like to see Heinola be able to be the d-man who generates offense behind the 2nd line which could include Lambert and Ehlers. High octane.

And get legit PP time, to boost special teams production.

After watching game 1 of the Young Stars I'd like to see Torgersson develop into the replacement for Iafallo this season.

 

[Jets 31]

Pionk generates offense too. But he's been tied to Lowry's shutdown line for a few years now. So it's not necessarily productive offense.

I'd like to see Heinola be able to be the d-man who generates offense behind the 2nd line which could include Lambert and Ehlers. High octane.

And get legit PP time, to boost special teams production.

After watching game 1 of the Young Stars I'd like to see Torgersson develop into the replacement for Iafallo this season.

Morrissey, DeMelo
Heinola, Samberg
Miller, Pionk
Heinola and Samberg both taking another step, Heinola a big step, would be a pretty decent defense, here is hoping.

 

[KingBogo]

Morrissey, DeMelo
Heinola, Samberg
Miller, Pionk
Heinola and Samberg both taking another step, Heinola a big step, would be a pretty decent defense, here is hoping.

Doubt they go 2 lefties and 2 righties. I will be happy if Heinola can establish himself with some sheltered usage along side Miller on the bottom pairing. Also we need Samberg to take hold on the 2nd pairing and I don’t think you want to do that with him on his offside.

 

[WolfHouse]

Pionk generates offense too. But he's been tied to Lowry's shutdown line for a few years now. So it's not necessarily productive offense.

I'd like to see Heinola be able to be the d-man who generates offense behind the 2nd line which could include Lambert and Ehlers. High octane.

And get legit PP time, to boost special teams production.

After watching game 1 of the Young Stars I'd like to see Torgersson develop into the replacement for Iafallo this season.

I wouldn't say Pionk has been stapled to Lowry's line - he actually played more mins with the Scheif than shutdown. Unfortunately Pionk with the top line is a defensive tire fire...

Im still hoping for Miller or Samberg on our power play - the team needs a heavy shot from the blue line.

Illegal Curve was talking about how we don't have to worry about forward prospects but we are thin on D (wonder why...) - but after Lambert, I'm not sure I saw anyone ready for the NHL

 

[Buffdog]

Pionk generates offense too. But he's been tied to Lowry's shutdown line for a few years now. So it's not necessarily productive offense.

I'd like to see Heinola be able to be the d-man who generates offense behind the 2nd line which could include Lambert and Ehlers. High octane.

And get legit PP time, to boost special teams production.

After watching game 1 of the Young Stars I'd like to see Torgersson develop into the replacement for Iafallo this season.

Yeah, for the other team

 

[voyageur]

I wouldn't say Pionk has been stapled to Lowry's line - he actually played more mins with the Scheif than shutdown. Unfortunately Pionk with the top line is a defensive tire fire...

Im still hoping for Miller or Samberg on our power play - the team needs a heavy shot from the blue line.

Illegal Curve was talking about how we don't have to worry about forward prospects but we are thin on D (wonder why...) - but after Lambert, I'm not sure I saw anyone ready for the NHL

I don't have sufficient data to debate the first statement but the top 2 d-men in d-zone starts last were Dillon, followed by Pionk...Morrissey, the former shutdown d-man had the least, as it seems like he gets a lot of offensive zone draws to try to generate offense. Logically that comes with the top 2 lines.

I still think Pionk is a better player than people call him out to be, he's good at getting the zone entries and clears. Defensively I think he breaks down, so I could see how playing with the top line isn't always favourable.

A strong TC from Heinola, where he could play on the same pairing as Josh, and have De Melo play more of a shutdown role, would be an interesting change to the team dynamic.
If you get left with Stanley-Pionk as a 3rd pairing, well that does seem dangerously bad, but one of Pionk's best years was with a flat footed Forbort, so I guess wait and see how it plays out.

Not sure I agree with the shot part, these d-men who can put ankle breakers holding the line, are a new form of attack. Let your best skaters skate, get moving, and so does the box. But I do appreciate a good zinger from the point. Be interesting to see who has the heavier shot, Stanley or Miller.

Luckily if the prospects, other than Lambert aren't ready, there are about 4/5 guys in Anderson-Dolan, Jonsson-Fjalby, Toninato, Mason Shaw, and maybe Parker Ford, who are, this year. Which leaves another year for prospects to get bigger, faster, stronger...what development is all about.

Chibrikov and Torgersson have NHL potential, in different roles. You do expect the more mature players to stand out in a rookie tourney, ages 18-25, the younger ones who do, are a cut above the rest.

Frej in this tourney might have changed some perspectives about the defense. The right side of the defense for the Moose will be better than last year with Salomonsson and Coughlan. Lundmark is probably ready for an injury callup. Bauer I'd kind of like to see play forward at some point, just to have that mean streak out there.

With the futures of Ehlers and Connor uncertain, I think drafting forwards is important, because the star power won't come through free agency. Developing players like Lambert, Yager and Barlow the right way are crucial to the team's success.

I think most would agree that the defense needs more talent, but you can only get so far with 4-5 picks per draft, so we'll see how Chevy plays his cards.

 

[Jets 31]

Doubt they go 2 lefties and 2 righties. I will be happy if Heinola can establish himself with some sheltered usage along side Miller on the bottom pairing. Also we need Samberg to take hold on the 2nd pairing and I don’t think you want to do that with him on his offside.

Ya i wasn't really thinking about which way they shoot i was more saying it would be nice if Heinola and Samberg both play well enough that they become our 2nd and 3rd best defenseman.

 

[voyageur]

Logan Stanley takes the #2D spot.

I do wonder if Heinola won the top pairing spot with Morrissey, out of camp, would the coaches ever consider putting Stanley and De Melo back together, to have a veteran spread out across 3 pairings, with younger mature players? Those 2 had good numbers in the Covid season, and that would close the gap between the 2nd and 3rd pairings, for ice time.

 

[voyageur]

I'm not expecting a rookie to blow the doors off enough to make the squad if there already wasn't the possibility of a spot already.

Case in point, Heinola. He's already had a TC where he looked good, and there is "potentially" a spot available and he has to pass through waivers now. I think it would be a bigger surprise if he disappointed in such a short time frame to warrant not making the roster.

I'm a huge fan of Salo, but unless something extraordinary happens, Miller is looking like the 3RD. And then as an org you make the decision that playing big minutes with the Moose as a start is a better development path.

The only surprise on D I am expecting is not so much a surprise, but who out of Coghlan, Fleury, and possibly Lundmark take the 8th spot. Fleury the most NHL experience, but also the only left hander of the 3.

Up front the first 11 spots are written in stone (Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, NN, Iafallo, Vilardi, Lowry, Appleton, Names, Barron, Perfetti).

That leaves; Gus, Kupari, JAD, Shaw, AJF, and Toninato (as NHL experienced guys), and Lambert, Chibs, and Ford (as possible non NHL experienced guys), with Yager and Barlow going back for a year, and Lucius needing to play a healthy season in the AHL.

I like the idea of Lambert and Chibs making the jump in some capacity, but it only works if they get playing time, and are not playing 5 minutes a night on the 4th. At the very least I am hoping they get a game or two at the beginning of the season, and I'm really hoping that as the year goes on that if a top 6 forward goes down, the Jets don't shuffle the lineup up a bit and then call up a 4th liner like AJF, but start trying to bring up a scorer like Lambert and try him in that role (as long as he keeps doing well in the AHL).

I think Lambert and Chibrikov are getting attention already in a good way. They are on Scott Arniel's radar. They came to camp receiving the message from Chevy. Jets depth at forward is going to be deep this season. I wonder if they lose anyone on waivers. At some point I could see a forward for d-man trade, with Ville being questionable now.

 

[Badger1012]

standouts today for me were pionk (thank god) , he’s looking in good form, Kevin he reminds me of a Brandon tanev type and stood out. 55 a little lazy, Connor got a nice snipe on helly. Kupari as well looked good.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

standouts today for me were pionk (thank god) , he’s looking in good form, Kevin he reminds me of a Brandon tanev type and stood out. 55 a little lazy, Connor got a nice snipe on helly. Kupari as well looked good.

Nice to hear about Pionk. Maybe we get Canadian division #1D version of Neal now that it's a contract year

 

[Badger1012]

standouts today for me were pionk (thank god) , he’s looking in good form, Kevin he reminds me of a Brandon tanev type and stood out. 55 a little lazy, Connor got a nice snipe on helly. Kupari as well looked good.

I was grabbing a beer in the upper lounge and Chevy was beside me. The usual beating around the bush lol. It good little chat. Was very busy on his phone

Nice to hear about Pionk. Maybe we get Canadian division #1D version of Neal now that it's a contract year

Yeah his skating as usual was great. But he was landing some nice shots at net for tip ins, as well as playing decent defense. We can only hope he has a rebound year and I think he can do it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Kevin He ever makes the Jets we are going to have an ongoing 'who's on first' routine going on.

He scored!
He who?
Not who, He. Who's in goal.
I don't know. Who is in goal?


Just for a little clarity I suggest we either come up with a good nickname for He or standardize the practice of capitalizing the full name in order to differentiate it from the pronoun.

HE scored!
Great.