Who is better? Pettersson or Miller?

[rypper]

He has 59 in 80, which includes since the game after Kuzmenko was traded (25 in 33), the playoff run(6 in 13), and this season (28 in 34). I don't think Kuzmenko has anything to do with boosting Petey's stats, but let's use real numbers here.

The number i posted is basic, the season Kuzmenko was traded 23/24 Pettersson at the end of the year had 89 points. I wasn't breaking down games w/ Kuzmenko versus without.

 

[crowfish]

I hope the last few games were a nice preview for the trade Pettersson crowd. Enjoy your JT Miller-led offence. Not so easy for him without Hughes feeding him points.

Btw, it has been 21 games since JT Miller scored a goal against a goaltender.

 

[theguardianII]

I hope the last few games were a nice preview for the trade Pettersson crowd. Enjoy your JT Miller-led offence. Not so easy for him without Hughes feeding him points.

Btw, it has been 21 games since JT Miller scored a goal against a goaltender.

This is different than every other year except last year how?

The leadership in the room has a rift so leadership can't fix it. Is it up to Hughes to decide who wins the battle?

Under Tocchet's dump and pray neither is needed just a better PP and the best players don't always make the best PP. Tocchet' system right now dumbs down skill to a lower common denominator, the big need is fore check speed, hitting and hitting and crowding the net and hitting.

Miler might as well not be playing right now, this is the team without Miller, Pettersson or Hughes and they almost won two in a row if not for being a back to back.
The progress imagined is just as much the regression of other teams in the division last year and a far superior defence that got decimated in summer.

The core is stale.
There is a rift in the leadership in the room.
There is a lack for depth for defence and skilled forwards but then they don't rely on high skill.

The excuse used are ridiculous, Joshua out so an excuse, Demko out but more than adequately replaced but use as an excuse, an injury to Boeser, one player, used as an excuse, Hronek only used as an excuse, Hughes for 3 games by design his impact IS more but should not be an excuse. The combination of Pettersson, Hughes and Hronek is a more valid excuse but then it is management that didn't create enough depth to compensate so a created or self inflicted excuse.

Utah, Colorado, Montreal, Washington, Minnesota, Vegas all have had injuries to key players, Utah the worst when just about all their starting defence was out.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Pettersson has had a lot of criticism for his play this season and it's mostly warranted, he hasn't been very good outside of the one stretch.

But let's not pretend like Miller has been playing like himself either. Most nights he seems pretty checked out, except for a few flashes. We're used to seeing him take over games, have an impact that you point at and say that's why people call him the heart of the team etc.

Where's that guy been?

Makes you have to ask is there just a black cloud over the locker room and guys will return to form? Do we need to start thinking about a player turning 32 in March and wonder if it's the inevitable start of a drop off?

Used to ?

Last time I check, before 23-24, he was like enemy number 1 In this city

 

[4th line culture]

I mean some some context is needed there:

16 in 40 with the Rangers, he was behind other veterans deployed in a third line role which was either Miller/Hayes/Grabner or later Miller/Hayes/Vesey. That is strong production for being deployed how they were.

10 in 21 with Bolts where he literally shuffled through all 4 lines as a swiss army utility, didn't gel with anyone or coach valued him as a swiss army utility, pick your poison.

Miller and Pete both had 18 in 17 in their first playoffs with Canucks, largely playing together, they equally did their part, neither had to be dragged along by the other.

Their second run was 12 in 13 vs 6 in 13, in which "Boeser diff" is certainly a valid reasoning.

But it's not like as a Canuck, we are sitting here saying "Miller was given the ice time and linemates and didn't put up points or show up in games.

That's all fine, how old was Miller then? How old is Pettersson now? Up until 26 miller wasnt close to the player pettersson is. Miller had 6 playoffs before being a ppg alongside petey. Miller has been better than a ppg 1/8 times in the playoffs, was close last year.

Miller was a 3rd liner/ swiss army knife until playing with petey isnt really an argument in Miller's favour.

 

[Nick Lang]

That's all fine, how old was Miller then? How old is Pettersson now? Up until 26 miller wasnt close to the player pettersson is. Miller had 6 playoffs before being a ppg alongside petey. Miller has been better than a ppg 1/8 times in the playoffs, was close last year.

Miller was a 3rd liner/ swiss army knife until playing with petey isnt really an argument in Miller's favour.

Yeah. This is key. The people making arguments for Miller in the last page don't really understand the game or statistics that well. In Miller's first 443 games he had 325 points. In Petterson's 441 games he has 440 points. Miller was also a tertiary third line player for his first 5 years. Absolutely no doubt Petterson is the player to choose moving forward. Maybe if Miller was on his game and we were contenders the choice would be harder... but he's not, we're not, and it isn't.

100% take the better point producer with 5 more prime years and way higher projections.

 

[Delocatedfan]

I think the biggest thing with Petersson is his age. While I love Miller the player if its gotten to this point I think you have to keep the younger player.

Perhaps in any Miller deal the biggest piece you get back is Petersson being happy & playing like a franchise centre

 

[beachcomber]

Media and fans trying to run both of them out of town.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Media and fans trying to run both of them out of town.

The fans not the media.

This is how we be.

 

[VanJack]

The bigger question is whether J.T. Miller is better than Bo Horvat?

Horvat with two goals, including the OT winner tonight against the Bruins. Now up to 12 goals and 17 assists on the season. He's younger than Miller, and was the team captain.

Allvin may have backed the wrong horse. I guess the only real way this might balance out will be what the Canucks fetch for Miller in a trade.