Miller has been the better player since Tocchet took over in every way possible. He actually is a game breaker sometimes. Petey doesnt do it himself these days. He always defers to others. Hes scared.
Who is better? Pettersson or Miller?
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It certainly helps that JT and Tocc played the same style of game. Most of the forwards who have had success so far under Tocc seems to be of the same mold.
EP is insanely talented and when he’s on - he’s been great in the regular season both offensively and defensively - but falls down on the ice a lot
Miller is an absolute force when he’s on - can physically dominate a game and score. He also took on ROR and McDavid in the playoffs and matched up well.
Short term, it’s Miller when he’s on. Long term it’s Pettersson (that’s if he snaps out of it and returns to form).
Miller is an absolute force when he’s on - can physically dominate a game and score. He also took on ROR and McDavid in the playoffs and matched up well.
Short term, it’s Miller when he’s on. Long term it’s Pettersson (that’s if he snaps out of it and returns to form).
Are you asking if Miller is the one to keep or whether he is the better player?
Like I said in another post, since Miller became a Canuck he has led the team in points and won the scoring title most years. Objectively, he has overall been the best forward since he became a Canuck.
But Miller is 31 and Petey is 26. If you believe in Petey, that's a significant age difference in terms of expected prime years.
Like I said in another post, since Miller became a Canuck he has led the team in points and won the scoring title most years. Objectively, he has overall been the best forward since he became a Canuck.
But Miller is 31 and Petey is 26. If you believe in Petey, that's a significant age difference in terms of expected prime years.
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Crazy how a guy can go from being the teams top scoring winger to essentially finding himself on his way out of the league. Almost like he was only that because he played with Pettersson.
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I’m hoping ppl to finally open their eyes and see EP’s impact during this little stretch. The constant lead blowing is not all because of Hughes absent
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Pettersson has had a lot of criticism for his play this season and it's mostly warranted, he hasn't been very good outside of the one stretch.
But let's not pretend like Miller has been playing like himself either. Most nights he seems pretty checked out, except for a few flashes. We're used to seeing him take over games, have an impact that you point at and say that's why people call him the heart of the team etc.
Where's that guy been?
Makes you have to ask is there just a black cloud over the locker room and guys will return to form? Do we need to start thinking about a player turning 32 in March and wonder if it's the inevitable start of a drop off?
But let's not pretend like Miller has been playing like himself either. Most nights he seems pretty checked out, except for a few flashes. We're used to seeing him take over games, have an impact that you point at and say that's why people call him the heart of the team etc.
Where's that guy been?
Makes you have to ask is there just a black cloud over the locker room and guys will return to form? Do we need to start thinking about a player turning 32 in March and wonder if it's the inevitable start of a drop off?
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Petey has not been on his game much of this year. certainly has not been earning his new salary.
But he didn't miss 10 games for personal reasons.
Voted Petey because I think he is just entering his prime, and I hope we get to see it soon. Miller is at an age where forwards usually start to seriously regress.
Voted EP, but this has been a fairly disappointing season after last year was such a surprise the other way.
And if Demko is hurt again, we have 4 of our top 5 players out. And the other seems to have serious problems.
Lets see how we do if we manage to get healthy again this year.
But he didn't miss 10 games for personal reasons.
Voted Petey because I think he is just entering his prime, and I hope we get to see it soon. Miller is at an age where forwards usually start to seriously regress.
Voted EP, but this has been a fairly disappointing season after last year was such a surprise the other way.
And if Demko is hurt again, we have 4 of our top 5 players out. And the other seems to have serious problems.
Lets see how we do if we manage to get healthy again this year.
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Am I the only one who thinks he was not playing all that much better... Just got more points?
It cuts both ways. EP fell off a cliff after that trade, and is right back to where he was pre-Kuzmenko. 68p in 82 games.... but with less goals.
Kuz also led the team in PP goals, in a season where EP had his worst PP performance, so good luck attributing that to him.
Funny how the same crowd that cried 'unsustainable Shooting %%!!', ignored the same thing in regards to EP. His big season is full of red hot %'s while on the ice. Everyone with him was scoring, and few were going in against. It was all ES and SH, which weren't likely to repeat. That led into the whole Petey-O start to last season,,, but then the sample size grew, things cooled off, and EP dropped like a rock. He hasn't shown to have that star ability against the grain.
The difference with Miller, is that he has had equal peaks, both with Boeser at his best, and absolute worst. Both with a high and low scoring team overall. A lot of people trying to pretend the 21-22 team was playing pond hockey, but that team was pretty stingy, and had a real shot at the playoffs before late injuries to both Bo and Demko. He had more individual effort plays, was less reliant on linemates or any statistical anomalies. His best play is not only better, but also isn't an outlier to date.
EP has done nothing this season, to change the correct answer here from last year. Most are voting for 'talent/future/value', not who is and who has been the actual better player.
What has miller won?
Well he is a point a game player for us in the playoffs… he does seem to step up in the post season. Pettersson not so much.
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This would have been easy to answer last year, especially back half of the season, but now I think you have to take a forward-looking view on it. I'm not convinced Miller didn't effectively peak the last two years, whereas if Pettersson regains some form of his historic play he wins this easily. If you're just going off the ~40 games played this year, it's probably basically a tie, and not in a good way.
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Where are you getting that number from? After the trade he ended up with 89 points in 82 games.
Pettersson assisted on 6 of his pp goals, same as Miller, Hughes 7. On par with our best players.
I doubt JT will ever come close the reaching the heights of last season again. Both he and Brock shot >19% last year and those percentages are bound to come down (which seems to be what is happening to JT right now.) I feel JT will still be close to point per game for the next few years though.
It's funny the pedestal some have put JT on. The guy has won nothing and has been kicked off of 2 teams, and even on this team has had numerous run in with teammates.
It's funny the pedestal some have put JT on. The guy has won nothing and has been kicked off of 2 teams, and even on this team has had numerous run in with teammates.
When he was EP's age, his playoff record was not that great. He certainly wasn't stepping up back then.
Miller is dogshit defensively and takes braindead penalties. Just overall the craziest shitty plays at the worst times. He puts up points because he has significantly better linemates and always has Quinn Hughes on the ice at the same time as him.
He has 56 points in 91 career playoff games. Petey has 24 points in 30 games. But sure Miller steps up.
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A scathing comparison. Miller does have a good offensive IQ and is great on the PP. The risky plays and erratic defense are a part of that overall package.
Right now it’s close but probably Miller, 2 years from now Pettersson easily.
Miller's contract is going to age worse than EP's despite that cap hit difference.
I don't want to trade either one -- there are precious few teams who can boast a 1-2 punch at centre like the Canucks can. But if I were forced to, I'd trade Miller before EP without a second thought. Last season was the right time to go for it. This season is the time to take a more measured approach. In other words, it makes more sense to build for the future with EP than Miller.
I don't want to trade either one -- there are precious few teams who can boast a 1-2 punch at centre like the Canucks can. But if I were forced to, I'd trade Miller before EP without a second thought. Last season was the right time to go for it. This season is the time to take a more measured approach. In other words, it makes more sense to build for the future with EP than Miller.
He did put up 14 goals 25 points in 29 games in Calgary last season. Lots of theories but it's clear that he struggles playing in a system that focuses on limiting another team's offensive opportunities. I think a non playoff team that allows him to play the way he wants to play + PP1 will get good production out of him.
I mean some some context is needed there:
16 in 40 with the Rangers, he was behind other veterans deployed in a third line role which was either Miller/Hayes/Grabner or later Miller/Hayes/Vesey. That is strong production for being deployed how they were.
10 in 21 with Bolts where he literally shuffled through all 4 lines as a swiss army utility, didn't gel with anyone or coach valued him as a swiss army utility, pick your poison.
Miller and Pete both had 18 in 17 in their first playoffs with Canucks, largely playing together, they equally did their part, neither had to be dragged along by the other.
Their second run was 12 in 13 vs 6 in 13, in which "Boeser diff" is certainly a valid reasoning.
But it's not like as a Canuck, we are sitting here saying "Miller was given the ice time and linemates and didn't put up points or show up in games.
He has 59 in 80, which includes since the game after Kuzmenko was traded (25 in 33), the playoff run(6 in 13), and this season (28 in 34). I don't think Kuzmenko has anything to do with boosting Petey's stats, but let's use real numbers here.
