Who has the better Cup window? Panthers or Leafs

[kingsholygrail]

Let me know when the Maple Leafs have opened their window.

 

[HockeyVirus]

del

 

[Sensatauro]

The Sharks

 

[Melrose Munch]

Panthers since they won

 

[dalewood12]

Leafs need to make it to the CF before I believe they have what it takes to win a cup.

 

[BlueSeal]

The Leafs see the Cup being carried around by a different team each year from their window.

 

[StlBigFly]

The Florida team’s window doesn’t matter. It’ll be as wide open as possible until the cba is adjusted or climate change swallows the coast.

The Florida teams get to sign players in a hard cap environment at a substantial discount due to taxation.

It’s a hard cap and they circumvent it via discounted aav due to local laws. You’re arguing with a wall if you disagree with this. It’s like 8-12% total discount. I do not acknowledge their cups. None of them. No asterisks - that involves acknowledgment.

The NHL is sold as a level playing field, more or less, for about 25 teams and there’s the small handful that basically get a 50/50 at the conference finals every year. They’ll continue to get the best deals at deadlines as players with move control all want to go there to make 8–12% more money on their existing checks.

If the cba doesn’t fix this climate change will.

You’ll all get tired of every single year Florida Florida Texas in the late playoffs. It isn’t about team building or windows for them. They’ll always be able to overcome tragic management to compete because they get 8-12% more players than 25 teams.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

The Leafs beat the Panthers where it counts...

 

[Mr Kot]

The Florida team’s window doesn’t matter. It’ll be as wide open as possible until the cba is adjusted or climate change swallows the coast.

The Florida teams get to sign players in a hard cap environment at a substantial discount due to taxation.

It’s a hard cap and they circumvent it via discounted aav due to local laws. You’re arguing with a wall if you disagree with this. It’s like 8-12% total discount. I do not acknowledge their cups. None of them. No asterisks - that involves acknowledgment.

The NHL is sold as a level playing field, more or less, for about 25 teams and there’s the small handful that basically get a 50/50 at the conference finals every year. They’ll continue to get the best deals at deadlines as players with move control all want to go there to make 8–12% more money on their existing checks.

If the cba doesn’t fix this climate change will.

You’ll all get tired of every single year Florida Florida Texas in the late playoffs. It isn’t about team building or windows for them.

Based Rabble Rouser

 

[dirtydanglez]

i think better management gives florida the edge. both teams cores are about the same age.

 

[Ratsreign]

The Florida team’s window doesn’t matter. It’ll be as wide open as possible until the cba is adjusted or climate change swallows the coast.

The Florida teams get to sign players in a hard cap environment at a substantial discount due to taxation.

It’s a hard cap and they circumvent it via discounted aav due to local laws. You’re arguing with a wall if you disagree with this. It’s like 8-12% total discount. I do not acknowledge their cups. None of them. No asterisks - that involves acknowledgment.

The NHL is sold as a level playing field, more or less, for about 25 teams and there’s the small handful that basically get a 50/50 at the conference finals every year. They’ll continue to get the best deals at deadlines as players with move control all want to go there to make 8–12% more money on their existing checks.

If the cba doesn’t fix this climate change will.

You’ll all get tired of every single year Florida Florida Texas in the late playoffs. It isn’t about team building or windows for them.

Nobody wanted to sign with Florida when they were the league’s joke show.....
Low taxes and palm trees didn’t matter one bit.
Time to stop with this lazy, bullshit narrative.

 

[Jetcetera]

Leafs have a cup window?

 

[StlBigFly]

Nobody wanted to sign with Florida when they were the league’s joke show.....
Low taxes and palm trees didn’t matter one bit.
Time to stop with this lazy, bullshit narrative.

It’s not bullshit. It’s 100% fact.

I’ve spoken with multiple active nhl agents about it at length.

If a team sucks then, in general, people don’t want to go there.

Every team has this challenge at some point. Every team goes through suck and is not desirable during the suck. Florida is not special in this regard.

The other teams don’t get 10% off their players.

Give the Canada teams 10% off their aav and you’ll stop seeing Florida in the conference finals. Half of them have been paying floridas bills anyway via revenue share.

Go count the last 5 years of conference finals how many tax free teams are there.

4/5 last cup winners are tax free. The time they didn’t win they were the runner up. In many cases 3/4 of the conference finals are tax free. Like there is just some random coincidental mini dynasties being built in Vegas, Florida, Florida, Dallas? lol. They don’t have to pay their players as much so they get more players. This isn’t a narrative, it’s math. Imagine that a pandemic crunches the cap - who wins? The team who can stuff way more talent into the same sized depth chart.

Its brain dead to look at the last 5 years and think it’s normal. This is not what parity looks like. Not even close.

I give Vegas a pass because they went big and brought a lot of positive attention to the nhl. They’re the only ones pulling the weight.

 

[Ratsreign]

It’s not bullshit. It’s 100% fact.

I’ve spoken with multiple active nhl agents about it at length.

If a team sucks then, in general, people don’t want to go there.

Every team has this challenge at some point. Every team goes through suck and is not desirable during the suck.

The other teams don’t get 10% off their players.

Give the Canada teams 10% off their aav and you’ll stop seeing Florida in the conference finals. Half of them have been paying floridas bills anyway via revenue share.

Go count the last 5 years of conference finals how many tax free teams are there.

4/5 last cup winners are tax free. The time they didn’t win they were the runner up. In many cases 3/4 of the conference finals are tax free.

Its brain dead to look at the last 5 years and think it’s normal.

“If a team sucks, people don’t want to go there.”
It’s about more than simply the tax rates. There are a lot of factors taken into consideration by the players.

It’s a lazy answer.

 

[StlBigFly]

“If a team sucks, people don’t want to go there.”
It’s about more than simply the tax rates. There are a lot of factors taken into consideration by the players.

It’s a lazy answer.

If player X is signing in Ottawa the AAV will be more than 10% larger than if that exact same player signed in Florida. Or Dallas. Or Vegas. Or Nashville.

It wouldn’t matter what temperature the climate is or if there are palm trees or even if the team is good or bad.

It’s provincial taxation versus no taxation.

And an obvious issue in a hard cap environment.

And is the source of the results we’ve seen for 5 years.

Literally from the NHL commissioner’s office:

“The NHL will continue to monitor the issue, and may need to address it if the next 10 years are similar to the last five.”

I’ll translate: “we’re tired of revenue sharing a chunk of our profits so you can exist, so here, have some good times and the few of you who can build a fan base can keep your team when it’s over”.

The rest of us don’t have to like this. My team isn’t in the playoff hunt but ya know what? I don’t want to watch Florida Florida Dallas Vegas again. Atleast one of the taxed teams drafted 2 goats so we can have something interesting - but it sure does feel like Edmonton is a cap nightmare (double offer sheet) and I don’t sense longevity…

It’s taboo to discuss because the league doesn’t want to disenfranchise 25 fanbases. Everybody is expected to suck it up so Toronto can stop paying floridas bills.

 

[Ratsreign]

If player X is signing in Ottawa the AAV will be more than 10% larger than if that exact same player signed in Florida. Or Dallas. Or Vegas. Or Nashville.

It wouldn’t matter what temperature the climate is or if there are palm trees or even if the team is good or bad.

It’s provincial taxation versus no taxation.

And an obvious issue in a hard cap environment.

And is the source of the results we’ve seen for 5 years.

Time for a Canadian Tea Party, perhaps.

 

[StlBigFly]

Reporting states Sam Reinhart would pay 1.1 mil more in taxes if he played in California.

1.4mil more in taxes to play in Toronto.

1.5 mil more in taxes to play in nyc.

It’s more than 10%. His aav is under 9. It’s close to 15%.

I’d guess Sam doesn’t care as much about palm trees as he does millions of dollars.

 

[Skolman]

Lmao, is this a serious question?

Toronto literally scares no one.

 

[Bowski]

What is the Leafs Cup window supposed to be? Round 3 and beyond when the big boys start showing up?
Is the Shanaplan in its final success stage now?
Is Matt Murray going back to B2B?

And comparing the Leafs to the most recently proven/winning playoff team?

 

[Chet Manley]

Time for a Canadian Tea Party, perhaps.

Nobody is that dumb.

 

[Devonator]

The Leafs do not have a cup window....sorry but that is just reality....as for the Panthers, they are likely cup champs again this year....so yeah.....

 

[archangel2]

TheImpatientPanther had a poll going for these two teams for a couple years.
The majority felt Toronto was in a better position for both threads in 2022 and 2023 IIRC.

Whos the better team the next 3 years? Panthers or Leafs?

Florida Panthers https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/panthers Toronto Maple Leafs https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

forums.hfboards.com

Wondering if public opinion has changed since these two teams seem destined to fight for the Atlantic crown for the next 3-4 years.
They had one playoff series so far, Panthers winning that one in 5 games.

Florida has two key UFAs in Bennett and Ekblad this year and possible goaltending questions.
Bobrovsky has 1 year left and Spencer Knight hasn't exactly took the #1 job from him but still young at 23.

On defense, they likely need help as well in July, a top 4 RD is needed whether Ekblad stays or not, they need two if Ekblad leaves in free agency.

For Toronto, it's mainly goaltending and finding a middle 6 Center that seems to be their biggest worry.
The obvious UFAs for Leafs are Marner and Tavares. Can they afford to lose Marner?

Woll looks promising but seems injury prone. Stolarz has been great but has never been a #1 and both have no playoff experience either.
The Leafs looked even better defensively this year, although their scoring is down from previous years.

So who has the better Cup window for the next 3-4 years? Panthers or Leafs

Panthers:

Florida Panthers | Salary cap and contracts

Leafs:

Toronto Maple Leafs | Salary cap and contracts

I had to check the start date for this thread. It is either a joke thread or someone is off their rocker. Panthers have already won 1 cup and been to a second. A better question would be the Oilers or Vancouver VS the leafs. Not the defending champs

 

[Do Make Say Think]

People are seriously still getting fooled by a good Leafs regular season?

50+ years of the same result, and we're still doing this?

Mods will allow almost anything with Toronto in the thread title.

 

[BB79]

Let me know when the Maple Leafs have opened their window.

Their window is on a submarine

People are seriously still getting fooled by a good Leafs regular season?

50+ years of the same result, and we're still doing this?

But...this year is different!

 

[ORRMAN]

Bruins will catch the Leafs, so there's that. And, the fact that past playoff performance is an indicator of future results.