Who has the best peak in florida panthers history?

[Felidae]

While I wouldn’t put him ahead of the noteworthy forwards, I would put Forsling ahead of all the goalies and other defensemen. Going from waiver wire pickup to Conn Smythe Trophy vote getter is a pretty meteoric ascent to peak.

I can agree with Forsling being the best defenseman, although certainly debatable since most of the defenseman on the list have finished ahead of him in norris voting.

But ahead of the goalies? I can't get behind.

Luongo and JVB were top 3 goalies in the league at one point. Bobrovsky and Vokoun not too far behind.

Forsling is awesome but can you really say he's been a top 3 defenseman in the league? That's a hard sell.

 

[KW]

Barkov. It’s mostly been explained why, but add the obvious - took them to the Cup as their best player (skaters).

 

[Three On Zero]

Bure had back to back 60 goal seasons prior to joining Florida. Something he didn’t achieve again in Florida

Huberdeau had a 115 point season and then his production was cut by half in Calgary.

I’ll go with Huberdeau for better peak in Florida

 

[wetcoast]

Bure had back to back 60 goal seasons prior to joining Florida. Something he didn’t achieve again in Florida

Huberdeau had a 115 point season and then his production was cut by half in Calgary.

I’ll go with Huberdeau for better peak in Florida

Well I guess the argument that "there is more to hockey than scoring" only applies sometimes eh?

Although truth be told I'm not even sure what your post is saying here as what any player did outside of their Florida years should matter exactly why?

That being said Bure is the answer here IMO he just dominated during his time in Florida and I take peak to be best 3 consecutive seasons 99-01 he was second in the NHL in goals despite only playing in 11 games during the 98-99 season.

 

[Regal]

Bure had back to back 60 goal seasons prior to joining Florida. Something he didn’t achieve again in Florida

Huberdeau had a 115 point season and then his production was cut by half in Calgary.

I’ll go with Huberdeau for better peak in Florida

I’m very confused by this reasoning. Why do other seasons affect how good those seasons were? If anything I’d argue Bure’s other years suggest he was actually that good while Huberdeau’s season was a statistical aberration rather than a real peak quality of play.

 

[Three On Zero]

I’m very confused by this reasoning. Why do other seasons affect how good those seasons were? If anything I’d argue Bure’s other years suggest he was actually that good while Huberdeau’s season was a statistical aberration rather than a real peak quality of play.

His two best seasons were as a Vancouver Canuck and not a Florida Panther. So you could say Bure actually peaked before getting to Florida.


Huberdeaus two best seasons are with Florida and he’s unlikely to come close anytime in his career to those numbers, so he peaked higher in Florida.

I interpret this to whom peaked in Florida, while playing for Florida. Bure was good but arguably his peak wasn’t in Florida

 

[Ace of Hades]

Bure clears easily.

 

[CanadienShark]

Barkov for me, but Bure is also an acceptable choice.

 

[Sanderson]

His two best seasons were as a Vancouver Canuck and not a Florida Panther. So you could say Bure actually peaked before getting to Florida.


Huberdeaus two best seasons are with Florida and he’s unlikely to come close anytime in his career to those numbers, so he peaked higher in Florida.

I interpret this to whom peaked in Florida, while playing for Florida. Bure was good but arguably his peak wasn’t in Florida

The opening post made it quite clear that it was about ranking "peak performance when playing for Florida" and not "their peak performance came when they were playing for the Panthers", otherwise it wouldn't have mentioned Bure in the first place...

The whole reason "peak" got mentioned here, was to prevent a debate over whether player A having one great season should be considered better than player B having three very good ones. How the players performed elsewhere has nothing to do with the question at all.

 

[Dog]

I went with Barkov but could of went with Bure.

 

[Felidae]

Not my pick but I'm surprised Tkachuk has very little votes. He's the only other forward in Panthers history to be a hart finalist, outscored the next highest teammate by 31 points and to top it all off a great PO run.

He also has the type of game a lot of people love (value outside of simply offensive production)

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Sam Reinhart getting zero attention here, but probably deserves a lot.

As much as I love Pavel Bure, Sam Reinhart's 2023-24 season is far and away the best in franchise history. It is not even close. He scored 57 goals, and the only reason he didn't win the Selke is that he plays with Barkov. Cup winning goal, to boot.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Everyone talks about Bure's lack of supporting cast but his team was actually not so bad. 6th in goals for and 9th in goals against.

If you take Bure away and put someone in his place that only scores half as many goals (29 in 2000), that turns from 6th in GF to 20th. This is in contrast to the Senators who had the same amount of GF that season but their leading goal-scorer only had...29 goals.

 

[Ignatius]

Barkov shut down perhaps the greatest player having the greatest playoff run in playoff history for large portions of the Stanley Cup Final in which Barkov's team emerged to victorious. Not to mention being a key contributor on offense and in every situation otherwise.

 

[centipede2233]

Luongo

In my memory Luongo was the best goalie in the world for a good part of the 00s.

He never won the vezina…

 

[centipede2233]

Sam Reinhart getting zero attention here, but probably deserves a lot.

As much as I love Pavel Bure, Sam Reinhart's 2023-24 season is far and away the best in franchise history. It is not even close. He scored 57 goals, and the only reason he didn't win the Selke is that he plays with Barkov. Cup winning goal, to boot.

Bure had 59 goals in 2000, next was Owen Nolan with 44….Sam Reinhart scored 57 in a year a guy almost scored 70….bure was also a +25 that year to.. and bure had kozlov as his center, not barkov…

 

[jetsforever]

Does Forsling really need to be an option?

 

[centipede2233]

Barkov shut down perhaps the greatest player having the greatest playoff run in playoff history for large portions of the Stanley Cup Final in which Barkov's team emerged to victorious. Not to mention being a key contributor on offense and in every situation otherwise.

Mcdavid scores 4 pts in back to back games in the finals, first player to accomplish this. Not even Gretzky did this.

 

[Felidae]

Mcdavid scores 4 pts in back to back games in the finals, first player to accomplish this. Not even Gretzky did this.

How many of those points were against Barkov's line though?

I'm pretty sure Barkov was only matched up with McDavid the first few games of the series.

 

[centipede2233]

How many of those points were against Barkov's line though?

I'm pretty sure Barkov was only matched up with McDavid the first few games of the series.

Barkov was a -4 in the 2 4 pt mcdavid games, Barkov was +3 for the series vs Edm

 

[Neutrinos]

Beezer's '94 season may be the best in franchise history...

72 GA%, 55.6 GSAA in 57 games

To put those numbers in perspective, Roy's best season ('90) saw him post...

74 GA, 47.2 GSAA in 54 games

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Does Forsling really need to be an option?

If Jovo is listed twice, I'm fine with it.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Sam Reinhart getting zero attention here, but probably deserves a lot.

As much as I love Pavel Bure, Sam Reinhart's 2023-24 season is far and away the best in franchise history. It is not even close. He scored 57 goals, and the only reason he didn't win the Selke is that he plays with Barkov. Cup winning goal, to boot.

Can you explain how finishing 12th in scoring is better than finishing 2nd (2 points behind 1st)?

Can you also explain how 12 goals behind first place is better than 14 goals ahead of 2nd place?

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Can you explain how finishing 12th in scoring is better than finishing 2nd (2 points behind 1st)?

Can you also explain how 12 goals behind first place is better than 14 goals ahead of 2nd place?

Sure, no problem:

There is more to the game of hockey than scoring goals.

 

[Regal]

Sam Reinhart getting zero attention here, but probably deserves a lot.

As much as I love Pavel Bure, Sam Reinhart's 2023-24 season is far and away the best in franchise history. It is not even close. He scored 57 goals, and the only reason he didn't win the Selke is that he plays with Barkov. Cup winning goal, to boot.

I just have trouble saying it’s the best peak when the production isn’t sustainable. Reinhart could play the exact same way for multiple seasons and he’d be unlikely to score even 45 again.