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Those awards aren’t comparable.
Not to mention Wayne only having 2 is close to inexplicable.
At the very least he was jobbed in 1984.
Those awards aren’t comparable.
Only fair arguments from me. I rightly critiqued you for the Rodman comment. Sorry you are so overly sensitive.
Because your Rodman comment was pretty ignorant.You don’t seem to think I know anything about basketball, so why even waste time responding?
Because your Rodman comment was pretty ignorant.
I mean we're talking about a top 5 defensive player of all time basically and that's not even including Pippen who is also one of the greatest players of all time. Also we can't forget about Kerr who was a huge factor in changing the 3 point line. It's not like MJ was doing this all on his own, but that's not a slight no GOAT in any team sport does it alone.He was a great defensive player. Definitely not the best all time. Mutombo, Wallace, prime Howard, Leonard, Olajuwon, were all better imo.
I think Jordan won 7 straight scoring titles, so he was really unmatched too.
I just don’t think that Bulls teams win any championships without Jordan where as that Oilers team probably wins 2, or 3 without Gretzky.
Why misrepresent what I said? I critiqued you for dismissing Rodman for only have 10ppg once. When he was know for rebounding. Again this is equivalent to dismissing Chara for not scoring goals.Pretending Rodman is near Messier and Coffey level, is what’s really ignorant.
Comparing greats in hockey and basketball is apples to oranges. A single great player in basketball has far more ability to tilt a game. There are going to be playing 3/4 or more of the available time.
Did the 80's Oilers have more depth than the 90's bulls? Sure. Hockey teams by definition always have more depth, so this really isn't a fair question. 4 lines playing more or less equal time vs starters playing most of the game. Its a fundamental difference in how teams are structured.
The bottom line is Gretzky is the near unanimous GOAT in hockey MJ is not nearly as unanimous.
I mean we're talking about a top 5 defensive player of all time basically and that's not even including Pippen who is also one of the greatest players of all time. Also we can't forget about Kerr who was a huge factor in changing the 3 point line. It's not like MJ was doing this all on his own, but that's not a slight no GOAT in any team sport does it alone.
MJ and Gretz have the same amount of scoring titles but Gretzky's lead on everyone in points is literally unobtainable. No one in the NBA has as many records as Gretz does as well.
This comes down to the differences in sports imo. One player makes a much bigger difference in basketball and having a big time superstar is much more important than a deep team.
Why misrepresent what I said? I critiqued you for dismissing Rodman for only have 10ppg once. When he was know for rebounding. Again this is equivalent to dismissing Chara for not scoring goals.
Im just going to repost my original comment.
Again, sorry if you find disagreement condescending.
Ok, we will disagree strongly then.I knew Rodman was elite defensively, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he didn’t bring much in terms of scoring. Great rebounder and defender.
But, the fact that he didn’t score much means you can’t put him up with the all-time great players imo. There’s plenty of elite offensive players who played great defence.
There's little to no doubt he's the greatest hockey player. But was he better as a player than Michael Jordan, Mario Lemieux or Bobby Orr? Not necessarily.Gretzky - best team sports athlete of all time, unmatched ability but Mario comes closest
If you took away all of Gretzky's goals he'd still have the most points of all time. He is also the all-time leader in goals scored. Mind-boggling stats that get underrated
Lemieux missed 3.5 years and came back at 35 and was immediately the best player in the world. That is talent. Wayne could not have done the same. I’m sure Lemieux could still rack up a good amount of points on the pp. TODAY
One season. Wow. That means he must have been totally superior. Next
No NBA team in at least the last 40 years would have won the title without their best playerHe definitely had a strong supporting cast, I just don’t think the Bulls win a title without Jordan.
And yeah, it’s tough to compare players in basketball and hockey. The superstar basketball player is always going to be more important to his team.
How does his peak edge Mario?Mario had size , reach, stickhandling.
Wayne had agility was faster and better passer.
Mario had a better wrist shot , Wayne better slapshot
Mario was stronger, Wayne was slightly smarter at avoiding getting hit.
No one trumps the other. They were both above and beyond. Trancendant.
Gretzky edges Mario at thier absolute peak.
How does his peak edge Mario?
So Kucherov has peaked higher than Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin?215>199
As stated before, Lemieuxs best season, was Gretzkys 7th.
So Kucherov has peaked higher than Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin?
Your just using a raw total so I did the sameFocus on Gretzky and Lemieux, instead of switching the goal posts like you always do.
Tell you what: you try explaining why Lemieux is the better hockey player. But you can’t use the words “what” “if” “Injury”.
Rodman averaged more than 10 points like once his whole career.
Those Oilers teams had way more talent than the Bulls squads imo.
Jordan won finals MVP every time his team won a championship. Wayner only won the Smyth twice. Jordan was more of a part of the Bulls success than Gretzky was for the Oilers.
A lot of that is because hockey is more of a team game than Basketball, but I do think there is a case for Jordan as the best player ever in team sports.
Not to mention Wayne only having 2 is close to inexplicable.
At the very least he was jobbed in 1984.