That's fine by me as long as we can convert Luongo to centre.
And if Kadri blossomed in Vancouver, Burke would get run out of town on a rail. Unless Roberto can be had super cheap, I don't want any part of him.Who gets waived?
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And if Kadri blossomed in Vancouver, Burke would get run out of town on a rail. Unless Roberto can be had super cheap, I don't want any part of him.
Anthrax442
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Any half decent Chance between Kessel and Lupul or Grabs and Kuli would look much better than what he really is. We had plenty of players with inflated stats like Poni and Stajan that benefited from inflated ice time or line mates and when left, we're hugely disappointing.
Is this the worst active roster in entire NHL?
Bozak
Connolly
Lombardi
Stekel
Komi
Reimer
CMac
Waive / Trade / Sit them all
Bozak
Connolly
Lombardi
Stekel
Komi
Reimer
CMac
Waive / Trade / Sit them all
ULF_55
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I'm sure they've been discussing trades all along.
They were still getting paid to work, weren't locked out, and are not part of the CBA.
They just couldn't talk to players (except for when they could - whoops) or consummate any deals involving NHL players.
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Problem is, with the new CBA, if a player on an nhl contract makes $900,000 or more and is waved and unclaimed, then his salary counts against the NHL cap. So, unless Lombo and Concussionolly are surely to get claimed, doubt we are waiving them. Hope for a trade.
Problem is, one injury and this "logjam" goes away. In a shortened season, depth is even more important. I can't see us waiving forwards.
Apparently Leaf cap situation is manageable. I see them amnesty Komi to save his 4.5 mil cap hit next year. Another thought is that they save one in case they make a deal where they take on a little extra salary from someone who has three salaries they would like to lose and they lose that player as well. Provides some flexibility perhaps. At any rate in terms of total dollars it might make sense to hold on to one amnesty and see what develops next season.
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I could see Lombardi getting waived if he can't get back to form. He struggled badly at times last year.
It wouldn't be because of his salary. It would simply be because there are better players on the roster than him. So I don't think it matters that his salary would still count against the cap if he isn't picked up on the wire.
It wouldn't be because of his salary. It would simply be because there are better players on the roster than him. So I don't think it matters that his salary would still count against the cap if he isn't picked up on the wire.
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That's fine by me as long as we can convert Luongo to centre.
I agree! Just say no to Luongo, unless he comes really, really cheap!
p.l.f.
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Mess
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This is what I would do if I wanted my team to get better.
Take my worst +/- players and start cutting and releasing at the start of the list and replacing them with better 2-way players or role players that don't hurt the team by being on for sooooo many goals against, while contributing little offensively to offset the damage caused.
2011-12 Stats. - Worst +/- players & Worst bang for your buck cap hits
1). Matthew Lombardi (@$3.5 mil) -- (62 games 8-10-18 points) & -19
2). Tim Connolly @($4.75 mil) -- (70 games 13-23-36 points) & -14
3). John-Michael Liles (@$3.8 mil) -- (66 games 7-20-27 points) & -14
4). Dave Steckel (@$1.0 mil) -- (76 games 8-5-13 points) & -14
5). Mike Komisarek (@$4.5 mil) -- (45 games 1-4-5 points) & -13
That's $17.5 mil in dead weight right there all candidates for waivers except Komisarek because he has MNC unfortunately making him even harder to remove, and that is where your amnesty buyouts starts coming into play to remove the balance as needed.
Take my worst +/- players and start cutting and releasing at the start of the list and replacing them with better 2-way players or role players that don't hurt the team by being on for sooooo many goals against, while contributing little offensively to offset the damage caused.
2011-12 Stats. - Worst +/- players & Worst bang for your buck cap hits
1). Matthew Lombardi (@$3.5 mil) -- (62 games 8-10-18 points) & -19
2). Tim Connolly @($4.75 mil) -- (70 games 13-23-36 points) & -14
3). John-Michael Liles (@$3.8 mil) -- (66 games 7-20-27 points) & -14
4). Dave Steckel (@$1.0 mil) -- (76 games 8-5-13 points) & -14
5). Mike Komisarek (@$4.5 mil) -- (45 games 1-4-5 points) & -13
That's $17.5 mil in dead weight right there all candidates for waivers except Komisarek because he has MNC unfortunately making him even harder to remove, and that is where your amnesty buyouts starts coming into play to remove the balance as needed.
Mess
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Yes, but only if they get claimed on waivers, under the apparent terms of the new CBA agreement, otherwise No.
p.l.f.
use the force
I would be disappointed if we traded both Bozak and Kadri. Bozak and a pic or prospect would be fine. To draft a guy where we did, spend all this time developing him, dragging him through the meat grinder and then trade him? I just don't get it.
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Perhaps Lombardi or Connolly could be traded if the Leafs retain 50% of their deals for the year.
Lombardi could be enticing for a team looking for depth at center for under 2M of cap space for just this year. Ditto for Connolly., albeit a bit more pricey.
Lombardi could be enticing for a team looking for depth at center for under 2M of cap space for just this year. Ditto for Connolly., albeit a bit more pricey.
Whomever doesn't cut it in camp and isn't in the Leafs plans long term.
Otherwise, no one. The Leafs aren't in cap trouble and aren't overly crowded at any position. You will have injuries and you need a 13th and 14th forward.
Otherwise, no one. The Leafs aren't in cap trouble and aren't overly crowded at any position. You will have injuries and you need a 13th and 14th forward.
Mess
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Isn't that exactly what the Leafs just did with Luke Schenn?
Top 5 pick, 4 years of development ages 18-22 and then the youngest regular Leaf player traded, while Schenn was criticized for his learning curve and mistakes.
They got back a very young JVR. More like two players in the same situation rather than a 22 year old player on the back end of his career.
Leafs need to prep more for NEXT year than this year if they were smart, but I know they won't operate like that. It would be nice if they didn't make similar mistakes to the ones made by JFJ coming out of the lockout (granted, a much different climate than the one we have now).
With the amount of contracts expiring and the cap dropping down (IIRC), it may make more sense to hang on to the Kadri's of the world due to cost efficiency and potential.
Anyone know how the pro-rate of the contract works in a shortened season? Example being, when players are dealt at the deadline, about 80% of thier contract is already used up and the team acquiring said player (lets say, Lombardi who's a UFA at years end) is only on hook to pay them 20% of the actual salary. Is the daily rate of pay just accelerated due to a 48 game season? (Hope that makes sense).
On a side note, the whole trading cap dollars in the new CBA better be taken advantage by Burke in a huge way. Given that he's pushed it for so long, he better know how to use it correctly.
With the amount of contracts expiring and the cap dropping down (IIRC), it may make more sense to hang on to the Kadri's of the world due to cost efficiency and potential.
Anyone know how the pro-rate of the contract works in a shortened season? Example being, when players are dealt at the deadline, about 80% of thier contract is already used up and the team acquiring said player (lets say, Lombardi who's a UFA at years end) is only on hook to pay them 20% of the actual salary. Is the daily rate of pay just accelerated due to a 48 game season? (Hope that makes sense).
On a side note, the whole trading cap dollars in the new CBA better be taken advantage by Burke in a huge way. Given that he's pushed it for so long, he better know how to use it correctly.
If you had Lupul, JVR, Kadri and Kamarov that would be a good start to build on. On the right side Kessel, Kulemin, Frattin, and Brown works well. With Biggs, Ross, Broll, Devane, Ashton, D'Amigo, and others pushing for time. Wingers are a problem for this team.
That leaves McArthur out and makes one scratch his head if Burke was offered a first like he said. Add Connolly, Lombardi, and Steckel to the list of possible departures.
At center there is a gaping hole at number one with Grabo, Bozak and McClemment filling out the 2,3 and 4 spots nicely. It remains to be seen if Colborne is recovered and finally developing well enough to be considered future top 6. Either way a UFA or top kid like McKinnon is a must if this team is going to compete with the LA's of the world.
On the backend Phaneuf, Gardiner, Reilly should fill 3 of 4 spots. Word is Ranger is a nice find but needs to be signed. Holzner looks ready for at least depth duty. Gunnarson would do well with a lesser role. I'd like to see all the Franson bashing stop and see a pair of Gunnarson and Franson playing reasonable minutes in the 5/6 role. We could do worse than a big, young decent player like Franson that can hit a little, doesn't get physically over-matched and can sub on the pp when needed. That still leaves a big hole in the top 4.
Some serious needs in a number one center, top pairing dman and number one goalie but lots of depth and youth on the way. I expect Liles, Komisarik, Connolly, Lombardi, Steckel, MacArthur and possibly others to be used as bait.
That leaves McArthur out and makes one scratch his head if Burke was offered a first like he said. Add Connolly, Lombardi, and Steckel to the list of possible departures.
At center there is a gaping hole at number one with Grabo, Bozak and McClemment filling out the 2,3 and 4 spots nicely. It remains to be seen if Colborne is recovered and finally developing well enough to be considered future top 6. Either way a UFA or top kid like McKinnon is a must if this team is going to compete with the LA's of the world.
On the backend Phaneuf, Gardiner, Reilly should fill 3 of 4 spots. Word is Ranger is a nice find but needs to be signed. Holzner looks ready for at least depth duty. Gunnarson would do well with a lesser role. I'd like to see all the Franson bashing stop and see a pair of Gunnarson and Franson playing reasonable minutes in the 5/6 role. We could do worse than a big, young decent player like Franson that can hit a little, doesn't get physically over-matched and can sub on the pp when needed. That still leaves a big hole in the top 4.
Some serious needs in a number one center, top pairing dman and number one goalie but lots of depth and youth on the way. I expect Liles, Komisarik, Connolly, Lombardi, Steckel, MacArthur and possibly others to be used as bait.
Mess
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I think what you attempt to say is correct, if by that you mean while a player has a yearly contract it gets paid out and accumulated towards final cap in daily (game or non game days from season start to end)..
The 1/2 season lost is lost in terms of cap hit as nothing was accumulated so technically prorated only ~1/2 cap hit remains for the season. But accordingly a $70 mil cap divided by ~1/2 = $35 mil balance or the new 48 game season.. It really worked that way even when games were played as players traded at the deadline had prorated balances and caps for their new teams to absorb.
That's fine by me as long as we can convert Luongo to centre.
kadri and bozak is super cheap. Kadri won't get the icetime he needs if he goes to the nucks. Sedin, burrows, booth raymond where does he play?
While both teams are in tough situations. Van needs to push for a cup and Tor needs to make the playoffs. Personally, I feel Van is under more pressure. While our roster is younger whether we make the playoffs this year or next it is going to happen. Van's window is closing very fast. The trade last year for Hodgson will come back to haunt them!
Sorry. I have said this in the past but I would rather have a Bernier on this team than a Luongo at a steep price and including Kadri in on that is a steep price. Then I hear rumors of Raymon in on the deal and I shake my head-just what we don't need.
Sorry. I have said this in the past but I would rather have a Bernier on this team than a Luongo at a steep price and including Kadri in on that is a steep price. Then I hear rumors of Raymon in on the deal and I shake my head-just what we don't need.
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