Who found the talent on NHL Rosters?

Chili · Oct 11, 2022

Who drafted or originally signed the players on the 2022-23 NHL rosters? And how many of those players were with their original drafting/signing team?

To explain the numbers, using Anaheim, 29 players they drafted or originally signed made opening rosters. The breakdown of the 29 players was 15 forwards, 12 dmen and 2 goaltenders. Of the 29 players, 11 of those were on the Ducks opening roster.

2022-23 NHL Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison ( based on players on opening rosters October 11th, 2022)

Team	Total	Goal	Dmen	Fwds	(On Roster)
Anaheim	29	2	12	15	(11)
Arizona	24	1	10	13	(9)
Boston	31	2	10	19	(14)
Buffalo	34	3	13	18	(12)
Calgary	20	2	8	10	(9)
Carolina	27	2	8	17	(8)
Chicago	29	3	9	17	(7)
Colorado	21	2	6	13	(9)
Columbus	32	4	10	18	(15)
Dallas	24	2	7	15	(13)
Detroit	24	1	6	17	(10)
Edmonton	26	1	11	14	(13)
Florida	23	3	8	12	(5)
Los Angeles	31	3	11	17	(15)
Minnesota	24	2	7	15	(9)
Montreal	22	2	10	10	(8)
Nashville	26	3	8	15	(10)
New Jersey	26	2	6	18	(15)
NY Islanders	26	1	11	14	(17)
NY Rangers	23	3	8	12	(9)
Ottawa	28	3	7	18	(9)
Philadelphia	28	5	6	17	(15)
Pittsburgh	25	5	7	13	(9)
St. Louis	27	3	9	15	(9)
San Jose	23	2	6	15	(9)
Seattle	2	0	0	2	(2)
Tampa Bay	27	2	6	19	(12)
Toronto	27	2	8	17	(8)
Vancouver	18	1	8	9	(10)
Vegas	11	1	5	5	(6)
Washington	28	4	6	18	(12)
Winnipeg	24	2	8	14	(12)

The youngest player to make a roster was Juraj Slafkovsky and the oldest Craig Anderson.

Gives an idea who likes to build their roster through the draft (i.e. the Islanders)

Some other numbers that I ran on the opening 2022-23 rosters (unrelated to the draft). The number for each team represents the number of NHL goals each opening roster scored in 2021-22, grouped by division.

Fla 313
TBl 294
Tor 285
Det 271
Bos 240
Ott 239
Buf 212
Mtl 204

Was 287
Clb 281
Car 259
Pit 249
NJd 241
NYr 228
NYi 224
Phi 178

StL 266
Nas 263
Min 250
Col 246
Dal 228
Win 224
Arz 172
Chi 135

Cal 274
Edm 265
LAk 236
Van 232
Sea 224
Veg 215
Ana 211
SJs 199

Averages:

Atlantic: 257
Metro : 243
Central : 223
Pacific : 232

East: 250
West: 227

Average goals per team: 239

Interested to see how the division order compares at the end of the season.

Chili · Nov 30, 2022

To December 1st, 2022 a comparison of the birthplace of players who have played in the NHL in the 2022-23 season (841 players):

Country	#	% total
Canada	346	41.1
USA	239	28.5
Sweden	89	10.6
Russia	46	5.5
Finland	43	5.1
Czechia	33	3.9
Switzerland	11	1.3
Germany	8	0.9
Slovakia	7	0.8
Others	19	2.3

Others: Denmark 4, Latvia 4, Austria, Belarus 2, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia, Uzbekistan, Wales 1

Canada: Ontario 162, Alberta, BC, Quebec 42, Saskatchewan 21, Manitoba 20, Nova Scotia 8, PEI, New Brunswick 3, Newfoundland 2, Yukon 1

USA: Min 44, Mich 30, Mass 25, NY 24, NJ, Wisc 10, Fla, ILL 9, Cal, OH 8, MO 7, Col, PA,, Tex 6, Was 5, Arz, CT 4, IA, IND, ME, NC, Neb, NH, VA 2, AK, Ala, MD, MS, MT, OK, OR, RI, SC, UT 1

Top cities: Toronto 26, Calgary 14, Winnipeg 14, Edmonton 12,, London Ont 11, Mississauga 10, Moscow, Stockholm 9, Vancouver, Winnipeg 8.

I remember when Börje Salming broke into the league, interesting to see that almost one in three players in the NHL is from Europe led by 89 players from Sweden. The man blazed a trail.

Avg Ht: 6.01.33
Avg Wt: 198.5
Avg Age: 27.11

A breakdown by team:

2022-23 NHL Average Age, Height, Weight Comparison ( based on players who had played in the league thru games of Nov 30, 2022)

Team	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Anaheim	26.48	6.0159	203.03
Arizona	25.68	6.0172	200.96
Boston	28.71	6.0146	200.05
Buffalo	25.59	6.0107	198.11
Calgary	28.71	6.0183	203.75
Carolina	27.84	6.0128	197.6
Chicago	27.54	6.0157	197.43
Colorado	26.67	6.0094	194.93
Columbus	25.44	6.0125	193.13
Dallas	27.35	6.0157	199.69
Detroit	25.82	6.0139	199.86
Edmonton	26.63	6.0144	199.74
Florida	27.21	6.01	191.04
Los Angeles	26.27	6.0088	201.12
Minnesota	27.18	6.0042	191.33
Montreal	26.36	6.0104	201.84
Nashville	27.62	6.0138	201.35
New Jersey	25.48	6.0163	197.46
NY Islanders	28.36	6.0148	201.84
NY Rangers	26.54	6.0154	199.83
Ottawa	26.56	6.0137	195.04
Philadelphia	26.38	6.0121	194.19
Pittsburgh	28.96	6.0092	193.15
St. Louis	27.85	6.0138	204.19
San Jose	28.08	6.0135	203.19
Seattle	27.2	6.0132	195.24
Tampa Bay	28.56	6.0142	204
Toronto	27.57	6.0077	193.9
Vancouver	26.21	6.009	193.93
Vegas	27.7	6.0196	205.83
Washington	28.89	6.0161	200.52
Winnipeg	26.74	6.0189	197.41

By Position	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Goalers	28.63	6.0253	197.69
Defence	27.29	6.0177	201.43
Centres	26.84	6.0083	195.38
Right Wing	26.82	6.0091	198.94
Left Wing	26.75	6.0101	197.98
Forwards avg	26.82	6.0089	196.97
All players	27.11	6.0133	198.5

Chili · Apr 15, 2023

Another season's numbers...

Season stats for 2022-2023 NHL regular season by Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison

To explain the table, using the Ducks as an example, 37 players drafted or originally signed by them played in the NHL in 2022-23 regular season (4 goaltenders+15 dmen+18 forwards). They played a total of 1,812 games. They combined for 255 goals and 805 points, broken down by dmen (68+339) and forwards (187+463).

Also included in the total points are goaltenders assists (46 total) and Linus Ulmark’s goal.

Team	#	(G+D+F)	Games	Goals	Points	Dman G	Dman Pts	Fwd Goals	Fwd Pts
Ana	37	(4+15+18)	1,812	255	805	68	339	187	463
Arz	34	(3+14+17)	1,709	267	762	50	190	217	571
Bos	36	(3+10+23)	1,868	335	895	49	260	286	634
Buf	37	(4+13+20)	2,058	305	863	49	258	255	603
Cal	27	(4+8+15)	1,337	224	697	39	221	185	476
Car	30	(3+8+19)	1,822	317	829	34	185	283	644
Chi	43	(6+13+24)	1,784	290	814	25	115	265	697
Clb	48	(5+17+26)	1,875	289	678	28	116	261	560
Col	29	(3+7+19)	1,262	254	669	51	202	203	466
Dal	31	(4+9+18)	1,677	304	785	43	201	261	582
Det	33	(1+9+23)	1,502	233	622	22	125	211	495
Edm	37	(3+15+19)	1,719	307	879	50	243	257	634
Fla	28	(4+9+15)	1,423	236	653	36	151	200	499
Lak	49	(2+19+28)	2,222	330	854	46	204	284	650
Min	31	(3+8+20)	1,638	282	689	35	144	247	545
Mtl	35	(3+12+20)	1,213	155	436	29	171	126	263
Nas	37	(4+10+23)	1,907	266	724	52	213	214	510
Njd	36	(4+10+22)	1,645	308	764	21	100	287	664
NYI	33	(1+13+19)	1,813	288	780	67	273	221	506
NYR	29	(3+9+17)	1,557	261	667	60	192	201	473
Ott	42	(5+15+22)	1,755	307	856	45	220	262	634
Phl	37	(6+10+21)	1,636	230	599	32	127	198	472
Pit	32	(5+8+19)	1,572	258	675	29	118	229	553
Sea	2	(0+0+2)	88	25	59	0	0	25	59
Sjs	37	(3+10+24)	1,468	226	563	15	71	211	492
Stl	33	(4+10+19)	1,877	322	833	45	211	277	619
Tbl	32	(3+6+23)	1,591	292	824	30	136	262	686
Tor	39	(4+11+24)	1,568	320	837	40	183	280	654
Van	26	(2+11+13)	1,137	229	597	38	186	191	410
Veg	16	(2+7+7)	653	81	215	12	60	69	155
Was	33	(5+9+19)	1,466	226	618	33	128	193	483
Win	29	(2+9+18)	1,349	226	644	36	158	190	485

2022-23 Avg	33		1,563	258	693	38	172	220	520

2021-22 Avg	33		1,563	255	687	37	173	218	512

Found it interesting there was little change in the team averages from last season, scoring up slightly.

Misc: By my count, there were 1,058 different players in the NHL this past season (108 goaltenders, 334 dmen and 616 forwards).

They scored 8,248 goals and totaled 22,185 points

121 players made their NHL debut (93 drafted players and 28 undrafted) compared with 170 last season.

Nice to see some 100 point scorers, even a dman!

barbu · Jul 9, 2023

I missed that update. So the habs are still at the bottom and by quite a margin. Seems the gap is actually increasing. The 2007 draft class fading out doesn't help I guess.

Chili · Jul 9, 2023

barbu said:
I missed that update. So the habs are still at the bottom and by quite a margin. Seems the gap is actually increasing. The 2007 draft class fading out doesn't help I guess.

The Habs added several rookies last season and it looks like there will be several more getting a chance in the next couple of years. They have had a real hard time finding offensive players in the draft really for decades, especially centres.

Was interested to note above (post 51), two of the three teams with the fewest number of their own drafted players in the opening lineup made the Stanley Cup finals. I still believe in the importance of the draft but teams are finding other ways to build strong rosters.

abo9 · Jul 10, 2023

Chili said:
The Habs added several rookies last season and it looks like there will be several more getting a chance in the next couple of years. They have had a real hard time finding offensive players in the draft really for decades, especially centres.

Was interested to note above (post 51), two of the three teams with the fewest number of their own drafted players in the opening lineup made the Stanley Cup finals. I still believe in the importance of the draft but teams are finding other ways to build strong rosters.

I feel like there's more to the bolded.

- A team that contends AND drafts well would be able to flip good prospects for pieces that can help now. We're seeing it with Colorado in the past year with flipping guys like Barron, Newhook to Montreal and converting those players into solid pieces for the now.

- A team that contends would have less spots on their roster by default. When looking at basement teams, there's a lot of prospects who play much bigger roles than they would on a better team. Some that even make the NHL due to a team being in a rebuild phase.

- There's an aspect of quality vs quantity. Is a team with 15 "drafted" depth players more "draft built" than a team of 5 core drafted superstars?

And to reiterate on that first point, the Panthers don't have much "own drafted" players, but most of their core forwards come from trades where the main pieces were drafted players.

They kind of assembled a D out of nothing though it seems (beside Ekblad)

Garbageyuk · Jul 10, 2023

barbu said:
Thanks for the update. Habs getting a solid lock on the bottom spot.

Not surprising. Timmins was probably the worst head scout in the league, but he had this reputation of being one of the best. Most of the fan base bought it and defended him to the bitter end, coming up with all kinds of excuses for him. He had one good draft and milked another decade plus with the team because of it.

Chili · Jul 10, 2023

abo9 said:
I feel like there's more to the bolded.

- A team that contends AND drafts well would be able to flip good prospects for pieces that can help now. We're seeing it with Colorado in the past year with flipping guys like Barron, Newhook to Montreal and converting those players into solid pieces for the now.

- A team that contends would have less spots on their roster by default. When looking at basement teams, there's a lot of prospects who play much bigger roles than they would on a better team. Some that even make the NHL due to a team being in a rebuild phase.

- There's an aspect of quality vs quantity. Is a team with 15 "drafted" depth players more "draft built" than a team of 5 core drafted superstars?

And to reiterate on that first point, the Panthers don't have much "own drafted" players, but most of their core forwards come from trades where the main pieces were drafted players.

They kind of assembled a D out of nothing though it seems (beside Ekblad)

Roster building is an interesting topic, would make for a good discussion, probably on the main boards. The trading of draft picks and drafted players could be a whole different analysis if someone wanted to take the time. Folks can draw their own conclusions from the numbers.

abo9 · Jul 10, 2023

Chili said:
Roster building is an interesting topic, would make for a good discussion, probably on the main boards. The trading of draft picks and drafted players could be a whole different analysis if someone wanted to take the time. Folks can draw their own conclusions from the numbers.

Totally, and thanks for sharing your results! Its cool to see a more objective way to evaluate team's scouting/development than by "feeling"

Might be a good indicator of teams on the rise and the opposite as well

Chili · Oct 10, 2023

Who drafted or originally signed the players on the 2023-24 opening NHL rosters? And how many of those players were with their original drafting/signing team?

To explain the numbers, using Anaheim, 31 players they drafted or originally signed made opening rosters. The breakdown of the 31 players was 13 forwards, 15 dmen and 3 goaltenders. Of the 31 players, 14 of those were on the Ducks opening roster.

2023-24 NHL Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison ( based on players on opening rosters October 10th, 2023)

Team	Total	Goal	Dmen	Fwds	(On Roster)
Anaheim	31	3	15	13	(14)
Arizona	24	2	9	13	(5)
Boston	24	2	9	13	(13)
Buffalo	30	3	11	16	(13)
Calgary	22	1	7	14	(9)
Carolina	26	1	8	17	(7)
Chicago	34	4	12	18	(9)
Colorado	18	3	6	9	(8)
Columbus	29	4	5	20	(14)
Dallas	19	2	6	11	(10)
Detroit	20	1	4	15	(5)
Edmonton	20	1	9	10	(11)
Florida	22	3	7	12	(7)
Los Angeles	34	1	12	21	(11)
Minnesota	24	2	7	15	(7)
Montreal	23	2	9	12	(11)
Nashville	26	2	7	17	(11)
New Jersey	25	4	6	15	(10)
NY Islanders	25	1	11	13	(14)
NY Rangers	22	3	8	11	(9)
Ottawa	23	1	7	15	(9)
Philadelphia	26	6	6	14	(15)
Pittsburgh	21	4	5	12	(7)
St. Louis	31	4	10	17	(11)
San Jose	21	0	5	16	(9)
Seattle	2	0	0	2	(2)
Tampa Bay	25	2	4	19	(9)
Toronto	26	2	7	17	(9)
Vancouver	18	1	9	8	(9)
Vegas	12	1	6	5	(8)
Washington	26	5	7	14	(10)
Winnipeg	25	2	9	14	(13)

Gives an idea which rosters have been mainly built through the draft (i.e. the Flyers)

Some other numbers on the opening 2023-24 rosters (unrelated to the draft). The first column of numbers for each team represents the number of NHL goals each opening roster scored in 2022-23, grouped by division. The column on the far right represents the actual number of goals the team scored in 2022-23.

	Opening roster	Actual team
Team	2022-23 Goals	2022-23 Goals

Buffalo	291	296
Florida	287	290
Tampa Bay	250	283
Toronto	247	279
Detroit	244	240
Boston	242	305
Ottawa	223	261
Montreal	190	232
	1974	2186

New Jersey	295	291
Carolina	283	266
NYR	280	277
Pittsburgh	279	262
NYI	252	243
Columbus	197	214
Washington	191	255
Philadelphia	174	222
	1951	2030

Dallas	303	285
Colorado	263	280
Winnipeg	235	247
St Louis	231	263
Arizona	225	228
Minnesota	220	246
Nashville	178	229
Chicago	170	204
	1825	1982

Edmonton	289	325
Seattle	256	289
Vancouver	251	276
Los Angeles	250	280
Vegas	234	272
Calgary	210	260
Anaheim	207	209
San Jose	151	234
	1848	2145

Team avg	237	261

Averages:

Atlantic 247 goals
Metro 244
Central 228
Pacific 231

East 245
West 229

The oldest player to make an opening day roster this year was Marc Giordano (40) and the youngest was an 18 year old. (Hint: He made the Hawks roster).

Chili · Nov 30, 2023

To December 1st, 2023 a comparison of the birthplace of players who have played in the NHL in the 2023-24 season (826 players):

Country	#	% total
Canada	334	40.4
USA	248	30
Sweden	79	9.6
Russia	47	5.7
Finland	39	4.7
Czechia	28	3.4
Switzerland	11	1.3
Germany	8	1
Slovakia	8	1
Others	24	2.9

Others: Denmark 5, Belarus, Latvia 4, France 3, Austria 2, Australia, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia, Uzbekistan 1

Canada: Ontario 149, Alberta, Quebec 44, BC 40 Saskatchewan 20, Manitoba 19, Nova Scotia 9, PEI, New Brunswick 3, Newfoundland 2, Yukon 1

USA: Min 47, Mich 28, NY 25, Mass 22, Cal 12, NJ 11, Ill, Wisc 10, MO 8, Arz, Fla, OH, Tex 7, PA 6, Col, CT 5, Was 4, IND, ME, NH 3, AK, Neb, RI 2, Ala, IA, MD, MS, MT, ND, OK, OR, SC, SD, UT, VA 1

Top cities: Toronto 31, Calgary 16, Edmonton. Mississauga 11, London Ont, Moscow 10, Saskatoon, Stockholm, Vancouver 9

Avg Ht: 6.01.3
Avg Wt: 198.1
Avg Age: 27.33

A breakdown by team:

2023-24 NHL Average Age, Height, Weight Comparison ( based on players who had played in the league thru games of Nov 30, 2023)

Team	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Anaheim	26.32	6.0136	197.72
Arizona	26.04	6.0107	194.67
Boston	27.41	6.0159	200.11
Buffalo	24.72	6.0097	194.03
Calgary	27.37	6.0144	197.85
Carolina	28.38	6.0113	199.08
Chicago	26.73	6.015	194.62
Colorado	27.77	6.0115	196.77
Columbus	25.36	6.0139	196.25
Dallas	28.82	6.015	203.05
Detroit	27.79	6.0113	199.71
Edmonton	28.12	6.0168	201.56
Florida	27.37	6.0133	194.07
Los Angeles	27.23	6.01	199.73
Minnesota	28.61	6.0064	195.07
Montreal	25.67	6.0104	202.3
Nashville	27.31	6.0096	196.27
New Jersey	26.72	6.0148	196.96
NY Islanders	28.6	6.0204	207.04
NY Rangers	28.29	6.0158	201.21
Ottawa	25.81	6.0142	195.73
Philadelphia	26.62	6.0062	189.23
Pittsburgh	29.92	6.0127	197.19
St. Louis	27.91	6.0165	201.87
San Jose	26.59	6.0075	198.41
Seattle	27.96	6.0073	193.15
Tampa Bay	28.19	6.0163	200.48
Toronto	27.52	6.0122	200.15
Vancouver	26.96	6.0089	191.33
Vegas	27.52	6.0208	206.2
Washington	28.5	6.0204	202.5
Winnipeg	27.43	6.0167	199.3

By Position	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Goalers	28.39	6.0276	198.89
Defence	27.43	6.0178	201.49
Centres	26.93	6.0085	194.87
Right Wing	26.99	6.0065	196.93
Left Wing	27.49	6.00.93	197.94
Forwards avg	27.11	6.0081	196.21
All players	27.33	6.013	198.1

Interesting that the league is a bit older this year, led by Sid & his Pens.

Post #52 above has the numbers from this time one year ago for a comparison.

FissionFire · Dec 1, 2023

For a team rebuilding I was surprised Detroit had so few homegrown players on the roster.

Chili · Dec 2, 2023

FissionFire said:
For a team rebuilding I was surprised Detroit had so few homegrown players on the roster.

Pulled up last years list and from the 10 homegrown players that started the season, 4 guys moved on: Tyler Bertuzzi, Filip Hronek, Filip Zadina & Gustav Lindstrom and Elmer Soderblom was sent down. They have added a lot of veterans to their lineup the last two years.

Gnashville · Dec 4, 2023

Could you factor in where these teams drafted on average in each round.

Chili · Dec 6, 2023

Gnashville said:
Could you factor in where these teams drafted on average in each round.

Seems like I have seen that comparison some where, it`s not something I have looked at it or kept the data for. It`s complex and not sure what it shows. I made a comparison years ago on strength of draft based on the number of NHLers who had played at least 250 games from each draft and there was a significant variance over the years. And about 15% of the league is made up of undrafted players like Artemi Panarin and Sergei Bobrosky. Above are comparisons that I do for myself and just add them here for folks that are interested. Someone may know a site that has the data you`re looking for.

Chili · Apr 19, 2024

Some new numbers for this past season...

Season stats for 2023-2024 NHL regular season by Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison

To explain the table, using the Ducks as an example, 37 players drafted or originally signed by them played in the NHL in 2023-24 regular season (3 goaltenders+17 dmen+17 forwards). They played a total of 1,867 games. They combined for 233 goals and 724 points, broken down by dmen (58+327) and forwards (175+396).

Also included in the total points are goaltenders assists (62 total plus Tristan Jarry’s goal).

Team	#	(G+D+F)	Games	Goals	Points	Dman G	Dman Pts	Fwd Goals	Fwd Pts
Ana	37	(3+17+17)	1,867	233	724	58	327	175	396
Arz	36	(3+15+18)	1,726	250	721	41	178	209	542
Bos	35	(4+10+21)	1,606	271	678	41	187	230	490
Buf	41	(4+12+25)	2,069	361	923	56	250	305	671
Cal	32	(3+10+19)	1,536	209	660	38	191	171	469
Car	33	(3+9+21)	1,685	277	743	38	177	239	566
Chi	44	(4+16+24)	2,042	325	885	24	158	301	726
Clb	42	(5+8+29)	1,962	328	764	32	151	296	611
Col	25	(3+7+15)	1,023	237	658	50	191	187	467
Dal	28	(3+6+19)	1,335	260	671	39	167	221	504
Det	23	(1+6+16)	1,420	233	611	24	131	209	480
Edm	30	(1+13+16)	1,414	201	691	48	243	153	448
Fla	28	(3+10+15)	1,330	265	699	50	200	215	492
Lak	45	(3+16+26)	2,318	330	862	64	272	266	589
Min	34	(3+10+21)	1,768	286	754	31	142	255	610
Mtl	30	(2+14+14)	1,473	168	502	29	153	139	347
Nas	36	(5+10+21)	1,731	237	660	56	237	181	419
Njd	37	(5+8+24)	1,782	341	845	37	142	304	700
NYI	29	(1+13+15)	1,646	227	654	39	211	188	441
NYR	28	(3+10+15)	1,544	257	682	39	177	218	499
Ott	37	(3+11+23)	1,782	275	797	45	200	230	597
Phl	37	(7+12+18)	1,723	235	681	41	188	194	487
Pit	29	(4+6+19)	1,469	233	642	15	96	217	542
Sea	6	(0+1+5)	211	31	71	1	9	30	62
Sjs	29	(1+6+22)	1,219	192	477	14	74	178	403
Stl	36	(4+11+21)	1,954	318	778	50	192	268	580
Tbl	36	(3+8+25)	1,653	324	868	24	132	300	731
Tor	32	(2+9+21)	1,759	395	966	27	167	368	799
Van	25	(2+8+15)	1,161	249	607	40	189	209	417
Veg	19	(2+8+9)	736	79	240	13	70	66	167
Was	37	(6+8+23)	1,680	235	632	23	121	212	508
Win	26	(2+8+16)	1,404	224	618	32	167	192	451

2023-24 Avg	32		1,563	253	680	36	172	216	507

2022-23 Avg	33		1,563	258	693	38	172	220	520

Misc: By my count, there were 1,022 different players in the NHL this past season (98 goaltenders, 316 dmen and 608 forwards).

They scored 8,086 goals and 21,764 points (compared with 8,248 goals and 22,185 points last season)

119 players made their NHL debut (93 drafted players and 26 undrafted) compared with 121 last season.

Cool to see two players with 100 assists.

Devilmademedoit · Apr 23, 2024

Found talent vs DEVELOPED TALENT. I see posters giving credit to drafting teams for players developed by other teams

Chili · Apr 23, 2024

Rpenny said:
Found talent vs DEVELOPED TALENT. I see posters giving credit to drafting teams for players developed by other teams

Which would be valid for some players. I remember Martin St Louis in a Penguins training camp at the beginning of his pro career. Then he went to Calgary but became the hall of famer in Tampa.

What I do above is basic and easy to trace. Someone could certainly look at the stats from a different angle, it gets subjective though which is something I do try to remove from the comparisons that I make. That is a legitimate point though.

Edit: Thinking on this some more...many NHL players were 'developed' before they turn pro. Whether in the CHL, US colleges/universities or the European leagues much of their key development was before they were signed or drafted by an NHL team.

The inspiration for the draft comparisons was to try to identify the better drafting teams. Just another way of breaking down and reviewing stats.

Chili · Oct 8, 2024

Who drafted or originally signed the players on the 2024-25 opening NHL rosters? And how many of those players were with their original drafting/signing team?

To explain the numbers, using Anaheim, 31 players they drafted or originally signed made opening rosters. The breakdown of the 31 players was 13 forwards, 15 dmen and 3 goaltenders. Of the 31 players, 12 of those were on the Ducks opening roster.

2024-25 NHL Original Drafting/Signing team Comparison ( based on players on opening rosters October 8th, 2024)

Team	Total	Goal	Dmen	Fwds	(On Roster)
Anaheim	31	3	15	13	(12)
Boston	25	2	9	14	(10)
Buffalo	32	3	11	18	(10)
Calgary	22	3	6	13	(9)
Carolina	26	2	9	15	(8)
Chicago	32	2	13	17	(10)
Colorado	19	2	6	11	(8)
Columbus	29	4	6	19	(12)
Dallas	21	1	5	15	(11)
Detroit	23	1	7	15	(8)
Edmonton	20	1	9	10	(6)
Florida	23	3	8	12	(6)
Los Angeles	34	1	13	20	(12)
Minnesota	27	3	6	18	(8)
Montreal	24	2	10	12	(12)
Nashville	26	2	8	16	(11)
New Jersey	24	2	6	16	(8)
NY Islanders	25	1	10	14	(13)
NY Rangers	23	3	9	11	(10)
Ottawa	24	2	9	13	(10)
Philadelphia	29	5	8	16	(15)
Pittsburgh	22	5	3	14	(8)
St. Louis	29	4	10	15	(9)
San Jose	21	0	4	17	(9)
Seattle	4	0	1	3	(4)
Tampa Bay	20	2	3	15	(6)
Toronto	23	2	5	16	(10)
Utah	27	1	11	15	(6)
Vancouver	19	2	6	11	(6)
Vegas	13	1	6	6	(4)
Washington	23	4	6	13	(8)
Winnipeg	23	2	8	13	(12)

Gives an idea which rosters have been mainly built through the draft (i.e. the Flyers). The oldest player on an opening roster was Marc Andre Fleury (39) and the youngest Jett Luchanko (18).

Some other numbers on the opening 2024-25 rosters (unrelated to the draft). The first column of numbers for each team represents the number of NHL goals each opening roster scored in 2023-24, grouped by division. The column on the far right represents the actual number of goals the team scored in 2023-24.

	Opening roster	Actual team
Team	2023-24 Goals	2023-24 Goals

Toronto	298	298
Tampa Bay	271	288
Florida	240	265
Detroit	234	275
Boston	230	263
Buffalo	229	244
Ottawa	219	250
Montreal	203	232
	1924	2115

NYR	261	278
NYI	240	245
Pittsburgh	238	253
Carolina	236	277
New Jersey	235	264
Washington	217	216
Columbus	211	234
Philadelphia	211	231
	1849	1998

Nashville	323	266
Colorado	281	302
Dallas	259	294
Utah	254	254
St. Louis	246	263
Minnesota	233	248
Winnipeg	230	234
Chicago	194	178
	2020	2039

Edmonton	292	292
Vancouver	291	279
Los Angeles	240	254
Calgary	237	253
Vegas	216	263
Seattle	195	214
Anaheim	186	203
San Jose	175	180
	1832	1938

Team avg	238	252

Averages:

Atlantic 240 goals
Metro 231
Central 252
Pacific 229

East 236
West 241

When I ran the above numbers at the start of 2023-24 (post #60) the top two teams in the West were Dallas and Edmonton who ended up meeting in the Conference final. The top two teams in the East though, Buffalo and New Jersey didn’t fare quite as well. Believe the numbers do reflect that the Central has become a very competitive division.

Jumptheshark · Oct 8, 2024

Finding talent and developing the talent goes hand in hand after the first ten pick.

Chili · Dec 1, 2024

To December 1st, 2024 a comparison of the birthplace of players who have played in the NHL in the 2024-25 season (834 players):

Country	#	% total
Canada	333	39.9
USA	248	29.7
Sweden	79	9.5
Russia	55	6.6
Finland	41	4.9
Czechia	26	3.1
Switzerland	11	1.3
Germany	7	0.8
Slovakia	7	0.8
Others	27	3.2

Others: Denmark 6, Belarus, Latvia 5, Austria 3, Norway 2, Australia, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Slovenia, Wales 1

Canada: Ontario 147, Quebec 47, Alberta 43, BC 36. Manitoba 22, Saskatchewan 19, Nova Scotia 10, PEI, New Brunswick 3, Newfoundland 2, Yukon 1

USA: Min 47, Mich 29, Mass 26, NY 24, Cal 11, NJ 10, Ill 9, Arz, Fla, MO 8, OH, Tex, Wisc 7, PA 6, Col, CT 5, IND, Neb, NH, RI, Was 3, AK, ME, ND 2, Ala, LA, MD, MS, MT, NC, OK, SC, UT, VA 1

Top cities: Toronto 27, Calgary 17, Moscow 13. Edmonton, Mississauga, Stockholm 10, Halifax, Karlstad, London Ont, Saskatoon, Winnipeg 8

Avg Ht: 6.01.44
Avg Wt: 199.05
Avg Age: 27.51

A breakdown by team:

2024-25 NHL Average Age, Height, Weight Comparison ( based on players who had played in the league thru games of Nov 30, 2024)

Team	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Anaheim	26.52	6.0143	197.72
Boston	27.41	6.021	206.03
Buffalo	25.31	6.0169	198.54
Calgary	27.8	6.0144	196.44
Carolina	28.26	6.0117	197
Chicago	28.63	6.0175	198.21
Colorado	26.87	6.0050	191.29
Columbus	26.88	6.0152	201.92
Dallas	28.04	6.015	198.71
Detroit	28.44	6.0136	199.8
Edmonton	29.88	6.0128	199.28
Florida	27.83	6.0178	196.83
Los Angeles	27.56	6.02.04	202.44
Minnesota	28.11	6.0044	194.59
Montreal	25.27	6.0096	204.19
Nashville	28.35	6.0085	196.38
New Jersey	27.78	6.0159	196.89
NY Islanders	28.45	6.0207	205.28
NY Rangers	27.63	6.0156	201.76
Ottawa	27.02	6.0188	200.72
Philadelphia	25.93	6.0085	198.52
Pittsburgh	28.33	6.0090	194.27
St. Louis	27.81	6.0138	200.62
San Jose	26.07	6.0100	198.15
Seattle	27.77	6.0065	196.77
Tampa Bay	28.48	6.0113	198.22
Toronto	27.73	6.0198	205.13
Utah	26.48	6.0159	195.78
Vancouver	26.93	6.0133	193.74
Vegas	27.5	6.0197	202.60
Washington	28.19	6.0192	200.08
Winnipeg	27.83	6.0183	197.88

By Position	Avg Age	Avg Height	Avg Weight
Goalers	28.39	6.0301	199.94
Defence	27.44	6.0198	202.89
Centres	27.09	6.0098	195.68
Right Wing	27.04	6.0085	197.28
Left Wing	27.73	6.00.81	198.67
Forwards avg	27.25	6.0091	196.87
All players	27.51	6.0144	199.05

Posts #41, 52 & 61 above have the numbers from this same point in time in the last three years for a comparison.

Not a lot of change from one year ago, the league average is a bit older and heavier. Bruins have been the tallest & heaviest this season and the Oilers have had the oldest roster (just watched them beat the Avs, they still have a good team).

Nogatco Rd · Friday at 4:44 AM

Chili said:
To December 1st, 2024 a comparison of the birthplace of players who have played in the NHL in the 2024-25 season (834 players):

Hey what kinda car is that in your pic? 1931 Phaeton?

Chili · Friday at 11:55 AM

Nogatco Rd said:
Hey what kinda car is that in your pic? 1931 Phaeton?

You got me there. It is a Duesenberg early 1930s, not sure of the model though, possibly J? I believe Jay Leno owns a few Duesys, beautiful cars.

Jumptheshark · 2024-12-16T19:39:35-0500

Devilmademedoit said:
Found talent vs DEVELOPED TALENT. I see posters giving credit to drafting teams for players developed by other teams

Yep

Who found the talent on NHL Rosters?

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