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Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

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Ziggy Stardust said:
And that makes him the perfect heir apparent to Kopitar. Just needs to improve on increasing the use of ‘obviously’ when addressing the media.
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And about 455 "um's"...but well spoken.

near future teammates....and recent Team Canada Gold Medalist teammates.


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cyclones22 said:
Pretty good Stutzle article.

Sports Illustrated: 2020 Draft: Germany's Next Superstar.
https://www.si.com/hockey/news/2020-draft-germanys-next-superstar
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Good read!

Though "the kid spent all of last season in the DEL, playing alongside former NHLers such as Andrew Desjardins and Stanley Cup-winner Ben Smith, Stuetzle's linemate." Oh that poor bastard, maybe TS is better than I thought

Desjardins, best known for wearing #69 and being Kyle Clifford's fistpillow
 
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That La times article really makes me think Byfield is almost certainly the Kings guy. I really hope he elevates your franchise to new levels(or previous levels) of success.

I would also like to apologize for the immaturity of letting 1 poster, who you all don't seem to like much, affect my neutrality in responses and my overall opinion of the organization. That was unfair and I still want the best for your organization. I hope Byfield is a franchise player for you guys. I look forward to seeing how my overall rankings shake out.

Side note, I also really hope Ottawa gets Stützle and Peterka because that would be cool and extremely beneficial in terms of global development. First ever German connection line and definitely would be a huge marketable draw to get a few outlets in Germany to cover some games.
 
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Anyone attend the 2008 draft party, which was held at what was then called the Nokia Theater? I think that may have been the last time they had a draft party up until the Turcotte pick last year. The 2008 draft party was fun though since we all got to sit in a theater to watch it, plus free concessions (save for booze).

The 2003 draft party with the breakfast buffet was great too, although their selections after Brown made many people sick.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:


Anyone attend the 2008 draft party, which was held at what was then called the Nokia Theater? I think that may have been the last time they had a draft party up until the Turcotte pick last year. The 2008 draft party was fun though since we all got to sit in a theater to watch it, plus free concessions (save for booze).

The 2003 draft party with the breakfast buffet was great too, although their selections after Brown made many people sick.
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Went to the 2008 one. Remember being excited that the Kings moved up in the 1st round thinking that Myers was the pick since he seemed to have been rated higher than 12/13 or whatever. As a meathead, I liked the potential of a tough guy in Teubert but it seemed even then that the Kings passed on the better player.
 
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Went to the 2008 one. Remember being excited that the Kings moved up in the 1st round thinking that Myers was the pick since he seemed to have been rated higher than 12/13 or whatever. As a meathead, I liked the potential of a tough guy in Teubert but it seemed even then that the Kings passed on the better player.
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I thought the same about Myers, who was projected to be one of the top defenseman in that class behind Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo and Schenn. I guess it was worth dropping down one more spot for that extra third round pick they got...
 
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I thought the same about Myers, who was projected to be one of the top defenseman in that class behind Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo and Schenn. I guess it was worth dropping down one more spot for that extra third round pick they got...
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That 3rd round pick (2009 #74) was traded at the next draft for 2009 #84 (Deslauriers) and 2009 #107. #107 was packaged with 2009 #137 for a 2010 3rd (#63). #63 was packaged at the deadline along with Teddy Purcell for the great Jeff Halpern.

Deslaurier was packaged along with Hudson Fasching for Brayden Mcnabb and the return of the 2 2nd round picks we had sent to Buffalo for Regehr. One of those 2nds was then sent to CBJ along with Matt Frattin and a 3rd for Marian Gaborik. (The other 2nd acquired was Lintuniemi).

Gaborik + Shore -> Phaneuf + Thompson.....Thompson + 5th -> 4th (Nousiainen).

I don't really have a point here, because you can't really say the 3rd led to Gaborik when other non-related pieces like Fasching (who had looked really good at the time) and other picks were included in the various trades, but I felt the trade tree was interesting none the less. Of course you can also go up the trade tree from that #12 pick because we got that from the ducks for #17 and #28. The #17 was from the Cammy trade which included the 2nd used to acquire Williams, and the #28 was from Dallas for Matty Norstrom.....which means all of this is a just limb of the Gretzky trade.

Is it f***ing draft time yet longest goddamn offseason ever.
 
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So I was browsing through this site and I wanted to share my thoughts on a portion of what I saw on the Byfield board. This actually does pertain more to the 2nd overall pick, as I believe Byfield is the kings guy.

So I saw a few statements connecting race and hockey IQ and I just gotta say I genuinely have never thought those two things were remotely linked. I have never heard a stereotype that black players have low hockey IQs. As a matter of fact, growing up one of my best friends who is a black hockey player had the highest hockey IQ of any player I have shared a team with, which gives him an edge over a couple late round nhl picks. He never went pro because truthfully his tangible skills just weren't elite, but his hockey IQ was high enough to be the captain of a USHL team and a D1 NCAA player.

Aside from that, I really can't imagine NHL teams would racistly pass on a black player as it would be incredibly stupid and counter the efforts the leauge has taken to make the game more accessible. The NHL should, I guess I can't say is because I don't know what happens behind closed doors, be boarderline desperate for a black Hart trophy contender. Outside of Western Europe and China the domestic North American black community represents a market audience that is large and relatively untapped(insert video of chance the rappers Lazlo Holmes SNL skit here). If all three of those markets are tapped correctly the NHL could realitically compete more with basketball in terms of viewership.

If someone says Byfield sucks maybe it is out of racism because his skill alone is top 10 worthy, but Hockey IQ critiques are not racist. To me and I imagine to most hockey lovers Hockey IQ is virtually measured on scale up to prodigy Crosby/Gretzky. Crosby/Gretzky are not the expectation for prospects, but kind of the grading scale. You're looking for people that operate fractionaly ahead compared to what the prodigys do. You don't need to be the highest Hockey IQ player ever to be a hall of famer OV is a Legend possibly greatest goal scorer ever(although with shortened seasons, and increasing age he might not break the all time goal record), but his IQ was never 5 steps ahead type of ish. Byfield's IQ is great, I just don't see him move the pieces on the chess board 2 spots ahead before making the play that makes the pieces move. There is nothing wrong with that, its not like OV did. I think he will be a very great player. I certainly don't think people pointing out that his IQ is not that of Malkin, who is a shade shy of Crosby and above patty Kane on the Gretzometer,(and the player people consistently compare him to) is remotely linked to his skin color.
 
I mean, most of those critiques of Byfield land him at #2 anyway, but most of it comes from one publication in particular who teed off on him but no one else. It was very, very clearly targeted, pointed criticism inconsistent with what was written about literally any other prospect. I'm not going to go off on a tangent about systematic racism in hockey because that's neither here nor there in this case, there are plenty of reasons to have Byfield down the board. I think my big issue with criticism of both guys is well documented, in any year where Lafreniere wasn't ahead of them, people would be falling all over themselves to praise both guys to the ends of the earth; but instead, their biggest fault is that they're not lafreniere, who has been #1 so long it's boring, and so it's like people have to go out of their way to find reasons to peg Byfield and Stutzle down a notch instead of saying yeah they're awesome too. If Laf didn't exist and Byfield was ranked #1 instead, how would his draft profile read? I'm willing to bet a lot more at the Malkin angle a lot less at the flawed angle.
 
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So I was browsing through this site and I wanted to share my thoughts on a portion of what I saw on the Byfield board. This actually does pertain more to the 2nd overall pick, as I believe Byfield is the kings guy.

So I saw a few statements connecting race and hockey IQ and I just gotta say I genuinely have never thought those two things were remotely linked. I have never heard a stereotype that black players have low hockey IQs. As a matter of fact, growing up one of my best friends who is a black hockey player had the highest hockey IQ of any player I have shared a team with, which gives him an edge over a couple late round nhl picks. He never went pro because truthfully his tangible skills just weren't elite, but his hockey IQ was high enough to be the captain of a USHL team and a D1 NCAA player.

Aside from that, I really can't imagine NHL teams would racistly pass on a black player as it would be incredibly stupid and counter the efforts the leauge has taken to make the game more accessible. The NHL should, I guess I can't say is because I don't know what happens behind closed doors, be boarderline desperate for a black Hart trophy contender. Outside of Western Europe and China the domestic North American black community represents a market audience that is large and relatively untapped(insert video of chance the rappers Lazlo Holmes SNL skit here). If all three of those markets are tapped correctly the NHL could realitically compete more with basketball in terms of viewership.

If someone says Byfield sucks maybe it is out of racism because his skill alone is top 10 worthy, but Hockey IQ critiques are not racist. To me and I imagine to most hockey lovers Hockey IQ is virtually measured on scale up to prodigy Crosby/Gretzky. Crosby/Gretzky are not the expectation for prospects, but kind of the grading scale. You're looking for people that operate fractionaly ahead compared to what the prodigys do. You don't need to be the highest Hockey IQ player ever to be a hall of famer OV is a Legend possibly greatest goal scorer ever(although with shortened seasons, and increasing age he might not break the all time goal record), but his IQ was never 5 steps ahead type of ish. Byfield's IQ is great, I just don't see him move the pieces on the chess board 2 spots ahead before making the play that makes the pieces move. There is nothing wrong with that, its not like OV did. I think he will be a very great player. I certainly don't think people pointing out that his IQ is not that of Malkin, who is a shade shy of Crosby and above patty Kane on the Gretzometer,(and the player people consistently compare him to) is remotely linked to his skin color.
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No team should consider a player simply based on color,Its about the best available player that well help the team to succeed and win championships.If Byfield is that player Kings management feel is that player,then they should draft him.If its Tim Stuetzle, then the Kings need to draft him.
 
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I wouldn't think someone is racist for criticizing Byfield. Nor would I think they are racist and assuming he has a low IQ just because he's black.

But I do strongly question why, when certain services heap praise on prospects lower than Byfield, but do nothing but dump on him. It's just odd. Even if not racist, it's questionably exclusionary.
 
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Ottawa's top scout stated that he believes that Timmy is more NHL ready than Byfield. L.A. stating that both players are equally not NHL ready leads me to believe the Kings are taking Byfield at #2.
 
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