Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question
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Lt Dan
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But still not as bad as people that use that use the letter u in color or flavor or leave a b out of Robbins
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Raccoon Jesus
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Yep. So if you factor that two wingers (I'm not counting Stutzle as a winger), I'm saying these prospects are very strong. For example, I don't think it's a reach saying Lafreniere, a guy who has done it all and has shown up at every level, is a very strong prospect.
I consider Laf and Stutzle on the same level, with Raymond almost as good as Stutzle/Laf...but I put Stutzle at the top of the two wingers since I consider Stutzle a prototypical playmaking 1C.
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
BigKing
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Along with being listed across the board as a C/LW, here's an article (of multiple) that discusses Stutzle's skill set and potential to be a 1C in the NHL.
2020 NHL Draft Profile: Tim Stutzle the top European in loaded class
bland
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Why? He has every skill necessary and played there until his first season in a mens league.
Its a bonus that he could also play as a winger, but he definitely projects as a center.
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Two and a half things scare me with Stützle. Fortunately I think most can be fixed or improved
1. Shot - I have not seen a whole lot that shows he can really rip the puck. I have seen a lot of video that pardon the comparison but reminds me of Doughty. Lots on net , lots soft, lots miss, the odd one goes in. Hopefully filling out muscle wise helps the shot strength.
2. Perimeter play - he uses the whole ice to get in position, go wide on people while protecting the puck and give him extra time/room to set up plays. I want to see him on NHL ice with 15 less feet and with coverage that can skate with him and stick with him. Watching Byfield and Lafreniere we see a lot of plays with them not having room then making room going to the net. I want to see this out of Stützle.
half - Center eligibility- nothing has shown me that this is a for sure thing. Yes he did it at World Jrs against peers with a loaded top line but again a small sample size. Can any German fans that saw him play fill me in on if this is a position he has played in the past with any type of consistency and capability? We have to remember prior to this year he was not deemed to be a top 10 pick.
I am not down on the kid by any means and I would welcome him to our lineup. I just don’t think he will be as good as some imagine. I see a few potential problems that may set him back on the smaller ice surface playing against pros. There is no way I think he is even mentioned in the same breathe as Lafreniere.
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I'd feel a hell of a lot better about Stutzle if he actually scored goals. If folks think he's Barzal okay, but even Barzal's goal scoring touch is at the bare minimum I'd want out of franchise center if that's what people think Barzal is. His shot better be projectable to NHL levels. I love his ability to handle the puck and weave in and out of danger to create scoring chances, but I do not like if there's a dependency on it to be effective. Many of his highlights are of that nature where it's hold hold hold pass and that makes me a little nervous. Remember, Barzal is THE fastest skater in the NHL. Stutzle appears to be a great skater, but I don't think he's got that ace in his back pocket like Barzal does.
BigKing
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I didn't say he won't be one but he isn't locked in as one either. If you take him at #2, he better be a center.
johnjm22
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Byfield is my guy at 2nd overall. I just think he has the most potential of any player in the draft.
I respect the opinion of others who disagree (there are valid criticisms of Byfield's game). Ultimately no one knows who will turn out to be the best NHL player.
It just gets on my nerves when people speak authoritatively about which prospect is better, or make false claims. But the worst and most annoying takes are anything involving race/nationality.
Even though I want Byfield, I'll be okay with whoever the Kings pick because the staff has earned my trust in recent drafts. The Bjornfot pick really solidified my confidence.
I respect the opinion of others who disagree (there are valid criticisms of Byfield's game). Ultimately no one knows who will turn out to be the best NHL player.
It just gets on my nerves when people speak authoritatively about which prospect is better, or make false claims. But the worst and most annoying takes are anything involving race/nationality.
Even though I want Byfield, I'll be okay with whoever the Kings pick because the staff has earned my trust in recent drafts. The Bjornfot pick really solidified my confidence.
Raccoon Jesus
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I think I have more faith in their pick than ever for reasons like this. They've clearly beefed up on taking a combo of NA and European prospects and they seem to have really nailed the European ones lately. Yes I'm huge on Byfield beyond sanity but if they pick Stutzle or even Raymond I'll mumble some obscenities under my breath and then be stoked knowing how sold they have to be on one of those guys to pick him at #2.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
This is worth discussing...from what I've seen/read, he has a good wrist shot, he just needs to use it more. Also, it will be interesting to see what game he will have in his new, bulked up frame and on the NHL-sized rink. And with NHL-caliber linemates such as Vilardi or Kopitar.
My main question for him playing center is what is his face-off ability like? You can't make offensive plays if you don't have the puck. As for him now suddenly in the top 2/3 picks this year, this doesn't bother me. I've seen several forward prospects surge during their draft year or the D+1 year after the draft and have great success in the NHL. Patrick Kane comes to mind. Kopitar could have been a #2 pick if he had more time...Elias Petterson as well.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
If we hypothetically assume he's only a winger, I have Stutzle slightly below Raymond. So my 1-2-3 would be Laf, Raymond, Stutzle.
Raccoon Jesus
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I feel like pre-draft Pettersson is a great comparable for pre-draft Stutzle.
Pettersson fires absolute missiles though.
Sleeping Dog
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Stutzle’s wrist shot is fine. The problem with his shot is everything else. Most of the time his shot hits the goalie’s chest. He is indecisive on what type of shot he should use in any given situation. Countless times I’ve seen him shoot an awkward backhand instead of a solid snap shot, etc. His decision making on when to shoot or do something else is not great. He shot 5.3% and it’s not low because he can’t aim. It’s because most of his shots are either awkward, ineffective, or just poor decision making. Someone in another thread compared his shot to Eichel. That’s the worst take I’ve heard.
Stutzle’s faceoffs are decent. I tracked him doing 48% against Switzerland in a U20 matchup. Faceoffs will not hold him back from being a center.
bland
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Even if the clear cut best pick in the draft is a LW?
I too believe that Byfield is the best option, but I have a nagging feeling that Stützle ends up just as good, but with a skill set that would do more to compliment the rest of the asset list instead of leading from the front. In a vacuum, its Byfield. Looking at the prospect list, its Stützle.
Its not as easy a choice as many here find it, these are two very different players who would both be incredible assets to the Kings.
bland
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YOu've just gotta have a more vivid imagination
I don't need to imagine those players, their skills are obvious. Stützle's require more attention because he hasn't had anywhere near the kind of talented supporting cast the Kings will offer him.
You can see Byfield pulling away and having the kind of range that is virtually impossible to defend. Lafreniere is so polished and locked in that e everything he does looks amazing.
You have to imagine/speculate/drool over what Stützle will do with a Kaliyev or Vilardi. Then you can't help but imagine what it would be like to say "nah" to that ability.
One thing is for sure, we will both celebrate and occasionally regret the choice either way.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I think you and I both agreed, maybe on here earlier, that in particular I feel Stutzle's game compliments our roster/prospect list very well.
Raccoon Jesus
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I definitely think Stutzle is the best 'fit' for our current list of personnel. I just think that's a terrible reason to make a draft choice.
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