Who do you like more? Barron or Mailloux

[Notabaguette]

Mailloux scored 20 In OHL. Barron is an NHL player. I picked Barron because he will be a good player. Mailloux has done some impressive things

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm surprised to see Mailloux winning this poll. He (might) have greater potential, but Barron is quite young himself and has accomplished quite a bit. He's having a terrific year, in the NHL.

I was curious to see who would get more votes. I do think both have real top 4D potential and play similar games. I'd lean towards Barron but I think it's close.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I know the season has little interest for fans, but I don't get this question at all since the players are so different.

Mailloux is an offensive D with a howitzer of a shot, great skating and physicality, but sketchy defensively at times, especially when his team doesn't have the puck.

Barron is a flavourless D that has a decent shot from the point, doesn't play a particularly physical game despite being 6'2" and weighing just over 200 lbs, can skate and play decent two-way hockey. He's the type of D that has a good to great game if you don't hear his name mentioned, unless he's scoring one of the odd goals he'll known to score.

It's like asking, "Who do you prefer to win the Super Bowl -- The Alouettes or the Expos?"

I'll tell you whom I would like to see reach his ceiling though - Mailloux, because he has a ceiling that's exciting. Barron, as a solid 3rd pairing RHD that can step up to replace an injured 2nd pairing RHD without being too much out pf place, down the line, would make me happy.

I don't believe they are so different. Both are RD and they have size, skating, and a good shot. Both need to learn how to be more reliable in the D zone.

We don’t have a Roman JosI though

I was thinking about this a few days ago... What happens if we end up with a very good forward group (Bedard and Dubois are added... for example) and our D does not have a legit top end guy on D? I guess if that happens, we need to make sure our D is very solid defensively and can do the little things right in terms of moving the puck to the forwards quickly.

PP QB issues? Possible but that can be overcomed if we have deep talent up front.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Mailloux is not even in the nhl yet , how can you compare?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Mailloux is not even in the nhl yet , how can you compare?

It's just a little thread to see who you like more today. Yes, one is playing NHL and the other is younger and in the CHL. I see two similar assets with similar potential on the RD side where one is further along in development.

Can Mailloux leap frog Barron in the coming years? Or will they both be solid RD assets for us who both fill a top 4RD need.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

You refuse to discuss why they may be good. You point our their negatives but never discuss their strengths or positives. It's quite obnoxious to read.

You should lurk more if everyone is fed up of your doomsaying posts. I bet if I check your post history, you were one of the many doomsayers on Caufield after his 'not so good' u20s.

When faced with hyperbolic, unrealistic opinions, a reasonable person will usually point out the limitations that the first extatic person fails to see in order to bring more balance to the discussion.

Opinions on Hutson especially tend to be way over the top and ignore all risk factors. Even though everyone likes him and cheers for him, if we were to listen to some people here, we would pencil him into the hall of fame already.

The same concept applies in a lesser extent to Mailloux.

 

[Legend123]

When faced with hyperbolic, unrealistic opinions, a reasonable person will usually point out the limitations that the first extatic person fails to see in order to bring more balance to the discussion.

Opinions on Hutson especially tend to be way over the top and ignore all risk factors. Even though everyone likes him and cheers for him, if we were to listen to some people here, we would pencil him into the hall of fame already.

The same concept applies in a lesser extent to Mailloux.

That's completely fine with me to point out his negatives and not be sold on him. But its a different thing to pencil Hutson as a PP specialist only type of player ala MA Bergeron.

Hes having a historic season in college, yet he's only gonna be a Bergeron. Thats a stupid take and im sure he knows it. Sure Hutson can also bust but so can he become a star. So whats the point of continuously hammering how Hutson has severe deficiencies and will never be a good NHLer.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

That's completely fine with me to point out his negatives and not be sold on him. But its a different thing to pencil Hutson as a PP specialist only type of player ala MA Bergeron.

Hes having a historic season in college, yet he's only gonna be a Bergeron. Thats a stupid take and im sure he knows it. Sure Hutson can also bust but so can he become a star. So whats the point of continuously hammering how Hutson has severe deficiencies and will never be a good NHLer.

Right. I don't really feel the need to defend estimated prophet (I sont think he needs me to either), but on to the point itself, at this point in time, with Hutson's strengths and weaknesses, aside from the ultimates of bust and superstar, a MA Bergeron type of specialist is a possible outcome. One that could even be beneficial to Montréal if well insulated as it would provide with a #1PP QB which we lack at the moment.

The stats are definitely amazing and he can show continuous progression in the coming years, but a lot of people underestimate how much his game needs to evolve to have success at the NHL level. It is not just a matter of adapting against stronger and faster opponents. He is no lost cause, but the road is going to be steep. It's not just size and it's not just skating. It's those two things and needing to simplify his game (which would also take away some of his dazzling moments) and being stronger along the boards and in front of the net (doable with added strength, but his size will always be a bit of an issue).

Lots to love, lots to worry about.

 

[Legend123]

Right. I don't really feel the need to defend estimated prophet (I sont think he needs me to either), but on to the point itself, at this point in time, with Hutson's strengths and weaknesses, aside from the ultimates of bust and superstar, a MA Bergeron type of specialist is a possible outcome. One that could even be beneficial to Montréal if well insulated as it would provide with a #1PP QB which we lack at the moment.

The stats are definitely amazing and he can show continuous progression in the coming years, but a lot of people underestimate how much his game needs to evolve to have success at the NHL level. It is not just a matter of adapting against stronger and faster opponents. He is no lost cause, but the road is going to be steep. It's not just size and it's not just skating. It's those two things and needing to simplify his game (which would also take away some of his dazzling moments) and being stronger along the boards and in front of the net (doable with added strength, but his size will always be a bit of an issue).

Lots to love, lots to worry about.

right it is a possible outcome. However its not the only one. IMO he has better chances of being a second pair offensive gifted Dman who QB ur top PP unit given his exponential progression.

 

[Bacchus1]

Way too early to determine. One is still in juniors and the other has only played a few games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Way too early to determine. One is still in juniors and the other has only played a few games.

Even if both were in the NHL, it's still early to determine. This is a thread about what you see today and how you see it progressing. Like if you were to trade one of them, who would you prefer to keep and who would you prefer to trade? Tough call to make for me and no, I'm not trying to trade them. Not the point.

It's it too early to determine if Fantilli will be a Kakko type or a star? Yes, but we talk about it anyways

 

[Bacchus1]

Even if both were in the NHL, it's still early to determine. This is a thread about what you see today and how you see it progressing. Like if you were to trade one of them, who would you prefer to keep and who would you prefer to trade? Tough call to make for me and no, I'm not trying to trade them. Not the point.

It's it too early to determine if Fantilli will be a Kakko type or a star? Yes, but we talk about it anyways

I wouldn’t trade either of them as it is too early to determine how they are progressing.

I guess the question is if they were both in the draft this year, and they were both available at the 60th pick, which would you take if there was nobody better.

I would take Mailloux as he seems to have the higher ceiling and the greater toolkit. Still not too sure who has the best toolbox.

 

[Frank Drebin]

deepest =\= best. We have many potential bottom-4 d-men, but outside of Guhle (who is still not a certainty to become an actual 1st pairing guy), there's isn't a lot of "certainty x high upside". Even Hutson has a lot of question marks and looks more to be a PP1 QB that you play on your 2nd pairing at best, rather than a full on top pairing guy at 5v5.

And regarding defending, there's like only two of them that should be at least semi-decent at that in Harris and Guhle (and maybe Engstrom but he's a very long shot). The others will need to improve significantly or change their game to even just be average. The myth that being physical means being decent at defending needs to die.

Only thing I'll say is we probably have the most entertaining set of prospects at D in the league, for sure.

They're not top pairing potential because of draft pedigree? I'm just not sure how you can say that with such certainly

 

[Kairi Zaide]

They're not top pairing potential because of draft pedigree? I'm just not sure how you can say that with such certainly

That's not exactly what I was saying. I mentioned "certainty x high upside" for a reason. Yes, mailloux, hutson, etc have high potential ceilings and could very well be top pairing material BUT they're not exactly likely to reach it, and it has nothing to do with draft position. They're just high risk high reward players.

 

[26Mats]

The answer is Mailloux, but Barron turning things around is a great development. Our future D Core looks pretty set with those two, plus Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj, Harris, JK etc


Um, have you seen how dominant Mailloux has been this year? If he wasn’t playing well then I’d say this could be an argument.

And Matheson is looking like he's part of the future as well..

 

[Lucky Luke]

Too early to tell.
Put them in the same league for 40 games and then you'll be able to have a better idea.

 

[Canadarocks66]

I’m very confident with the d corps we have…and I sincerely think we will have a Nashville Predators esque defence (in their prime) in 4 years

And that did what for them with a mediocre offense up front? How many cups did Nashville win? Who is Roman Josi?

 

[Habs]

the more I watch Barron, the more I dislike him. He's sloppy in his own end, and it is not getting better. He's weak without the puck, ....like Harris weak, knocked all over the ice reaching with his stick refusing to take or make a hit. Sakic isn't a dummy, he knows what he sent us, a hyped up player he knew wouldn't be much of a difference maker. As if baldy was going to pull a fast one on Sakic lol, he got skooled

ps tired of seeing the huge helmet on his little head, fix that asap

 

[GobigorGohome]

Both.