Who do you believe is responsible for the NY Rangers downfall?

[hackeyman]

Drury is responsible for this team

Such a simple straight forward truth but most on here are in some form of deep denial. A President and GM is the only person that can be responsible. Drury has had 4 years to move this team in the right direction and he had lots of influence 5 years prior to that as associate and assistant GM and Director of player development. This is his team , his culture . You can't blame all the players uniformly.......THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS ! FIRE DRURY ! Start a new culture !

 

[McRanger92]

Such a simple straight forward truth but most on here are in some form of deep denial. A President and GM is the only person that can be responsible. Drury has had 4 years to move this team in the right direction and he had lots of influence 5 years prior to that as associate and assistant GM and Director of player development. This is his team , his culture . You can't blame all the players uniformly.......THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS ! FIRE DRURY ! Start a new culture !

The biggest problem players were all acquired by Gorton. That being said I have no issue completely cleaning house and starting fresh with a unified message at coach and GM

 

[nyr2k2]

Such a simple straight forward truth but most on here are in some form of deep denial. A President and GM is the only person that can be responsible. Drury has had 4 years to move this team in the right direction and he had lots of influence 5 years prior to that as associate and assistant GM and Director of player development. This is his team , his culture . You can't blame all the players uniformly.......THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS ! FIRE DRURY ! Start a new culture !

A lot of the players look like they've basically given up or are giving half efforts. Their job is to go out there and give it a full, honest effort every night. If they're not doing that, that's going to be problem number one. A player not playing hard is unforgivable. Drury and the organization may have failed along the way, but I don't think it's for lack of effort. When I see lack of effort at any level, that's where I'm going to lay the blame more than anywhere else. That's why I chose players.

Now, you yourself said it--Drury has been here shaping the culture for several years before he actually took a over as GM. So if he's part of the rotten core and that core has been allowed to get more and more rotten over here past decade plus, that's an organizational issue. From Dolan on down. If Drury is some cancer, the organization is at fault for allowing him not just to persist but to metastisize. That's why I have them two.

Then you have Drury himself. I think he has done an OK job, and most of what's here he inherited. Of course, he has made some stupid moves along the way, and as you said, ultimately the buck stops with him. So he isn't absolved from any of this.

Laviolette is about the only one I give a pass to. He was an established coach who was a known quantity doing things his way. He came in and did an excellent job his first year and now this year, he's run into the problem every coach dreads of players who don't seem to really want to play, or who are over the hill and just can't contribute meaningfully. Not much he can do at this point.

I've always been a guy who blames someone else other than the players. Whether it was Torts or Vigneault or whoever, I'm generally of the mindset that a shakeup can give you better results. This group, though...gives me vibes of teams from 25 years ago.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The biggest problem players were all acquired by Gorton. That being said I have no issue completely cleaning house and starting fresh with a unified message at coach and GM

The players that are still here that are the problem were resigned by Drury.

 

[hackeyman]

The biggest problem players were all acquired by Gorton. That being said I have no issue completely cleaning house and starting fresh with a unified message at coach and GM

Drury was part of those acquisitions and their development. At the very least he knew very very well what he was inheriting. So lets see, he inherits a team that in his first full year as GM makes it to the Eastern Conference Final. He had enough talent to build from. There is a chemistry / culture problem on this team more than a talent problem. It's Drury's responsibility to recognize it and change it.

 

[McRanger92]

The players that are still here that are the problem were resigned by Drury.

The Zibanejad contract has turned out to be a fireable offense

Drury was part of those acquisitions and their development. At the very least he knew very very well what he was inheriting. So lets see, he inherits a team that in his first full year as GM makes it to the Eastern Conference Final. He had enough talent to build from. There is a chemistry / culture problem on this team more than a talent problem. It's Drury's responsibility to recognize it and change it.

It definitely festered under his watch. There’s always been a massive disconnect between the veteran high paid core, and the homegrown draft picks from the rebuild.

 

[McRanger92]

The entire rebuild is completely salvageable if they build around the Igor, Fox, Lafreniere core.

I’d go entirely out of the organization for 5 nasty motherf***ers to play defense with Fox. Let that be the team’s identity, because Tampa, Florida, New Jersey walk all over us with no pushback. It’s unacceptable.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

It's obviously the entire organization

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I think it’s too many players who don’t care about winning. I’m sure they think they care, but they won’t do whatever it takes. Which is whatever. I get it. It’s just a game at the end of the day.

As for me, show me either skill or heart. If not, I don’t care. I don’t have to watch hockey to be happy.

yup
Trouba... didnt care after the shit Dru pulled this summer
Mika... probably didnt touch a hockey stick most of the summer in europe and has wife and kid as prio
Kreider... apparently too injured to go near 100% effort
Fox... looks like he lost muscle since last season
Miller... died his hair blonde clearly mind elsewhere

not enough players on the roster are as obsessed with hockey right now as you need to be, to be a winning team in the league these days. maybe some of the younger guys. but most guys are just auto pilot somewhere around 75-85% effort which means no one is in the gym lifting weights 3x + a week ON TOP of playing nhl hockey guys are just showing up working hard enough to blend in

culture is so f***ing bad right now

 

[noncents]

I’d go entirely out of the organization for 5 nasty motherf***ers to play defense with Fox. Let that be the team’s identity, because Tampa, Florida, New Jersey walk all over us with no pushback. It’s unacceptable.

like trouba?

 

[Levitate]

Such a simple straight forward truth but most on here are in some form of deep denial. A President and GM is the only person that can be responsible. Drury has had 4 years to move this team in the right direction and he had lots of influence 5 years prior to that as associate and assistant GM and Director of player development. This is his team , his culture . You can't blame all the players uniformly.......THEY ARE HIS PLAYERS ! FIRE DRURY ! Start a new culture !

I mean, they also went to two ECF and won the Presidents Trophy last season.
which is really why it's so mind boggling they blew up so badly this year.
Like yeah, the team had flaws but I think anyone crowing about how right they were that really those teams all sucked is full of shit.
Those teams were pretty dang good, but only when they had all the players working towards the same thing/goal/whatever. They really did have no quit in them, they were never out of games, and most of us loved them for that. That's why this year has been so frustrating and so many people have turned so hard on the players.

You go from no quit to fold like a wet paper towel and it' sjust embarassing and disgusting to watch. The players look like they all got too high on their own farts and forgot that the NHL doesn't give a shit about what you did last year only what you're doing now and right now they're not doing a goddamn thing.

 

[McRanger92]

like trouba?

Trouba never did anything but fight after hits. It was open season on Igor on his watch for years.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Nothing will change if lack of accountability and shit player development aren’t addressed

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Tom Renney?

Believed he helped to cover up an abuse scandal with Hockey Canada. If the organization goes that route, they might as well hire Quinville.
New York Media would eat them both alive.
Don’t see it.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

The entire rebuild is completely salvageable if they build around the Igor, Fox, Shesterkin core.

You know we have no core when we can't even name 3 people to build around without accidentally saying the goalie twice

 

[LORDE]

Smith was very good at drafting his first few years. Letting Lafleur go and getting Zubov as a compensatory pick wonderful. That pretty much even put them in the conversation for being a contender after they mutiny'd Roger Neilsen. He also had a full cupboard because all of Craig Patrick's US NCAA guys joined the organization within a three year period and were excellent, and Esposito's one good pick with the kid with an Italian last name (Amonte).

You had me at letting Lafleur go.

Another past his peak, AT BEST, player from another squad, team, era.

Always chasing the sunset this team, instead of being out in front of it & eventually watching the sunrise.

Predictable & pathetic

 

[wolfgaze]

 

[McRanger92]

You had me at letting Lafleur go.

Another past his peak, AT BEST, player from another squad, team, era.

Always chasing the sunset this team, instead of being out in front of it & eventually watching the sunrise.

Predictable & pathetic

Build from within. f*** reinvesting Panarin's money into another team's star like Eichel of Rantanen. Build a team that values being a New York Ranger. You dont get that from mercenaries. The Lundqvist Rangers were built this way and they at least reached a Cup that this team of talented slackers didnt.

 

[Row I Goon]

Tom is smart.

Tom only gets to see one asshole, instead of 4 lines of them.

Be like Tom.

 

[TGWL]

Just remember, in 1993 we fell hard after winning the presidents trophy in 1992. We all know what happened in 1994.




....we got lucky.

 

[TGWL]

Build from within. f*** reinvesting Panarin's money into another team's star like Eichel of Rantanen. Build a team that values being a New York Ranger. You dont get that from mercenaries. The Lundqvist Rangers were built this way and they at least reached a Cup that this team of talented slackers didnt.

That's easy to say when you have players within to build around. We have 1 prospect that looks good in college and fans want to ignore the possibility of this player struggling at the NHL level. We don't have super stars to build around within the organization. Drafting those players could end up being well over 5 years before you get a that team you can invest in from within.

During our biggest window with Lundqvist, he posted .930/2.05 in 76 playoff games. He's a big part of being the reason this organization believes we need to heavily invest in goaltending to win. They don't know how to win without it star goaltending. They didn't score a lot goals during that span. They had heart and played faster. I think we can agree it looked a lot better than what these zero effort clowns are giving us, but that team needed more skill. Looking at our prospects it's hard to see how we build from within without that throwing money at that star player.

 

[McRanger92]

That's easy to say when you have players within to build around. We have 1 prospect that looks good in college and fans want to ignore the possibility of this player struggling at the NHL level. We don't have super stars to build around within the organization. Drafting those players could end up being well over 5 years before you get a that team you can invest in from within.

During our biggest window with Lundqvist, he posted .930/2.05 in 76 playoff games. He's a big part of being the reason this organization believes we need to heavily invest in goaltending to win. They don't know how to win without it star goaltending. They didn't score a lot goals during that span. They had heart and played faster. I think we can agree it looked a lot better than what these zero effort clowns are giving us, but that team needed more skill. Looking at our prospects it's hard to see how we build from within without that throwing money at that star player.

Having a team that gives a shit 5v5 and an elite goaltender shouldn't be that hard to build. Clearly paying mercenaries to be core payers is not a winning strategy. If we have to take a step back to being a wild card/bubble team for a year or 2, so be it. Igor isnt going anywhere. The roster needs to relearn that effort is non-negotiable.

 

[TGWL]

Having a team that gives a shit 5v5 and an elite goaltender shouldn't be that hard to build. Clearly paying mercenaries to be core payers is not a winning strategy. If we have to take a step back to being a wild card/bubble team for a year or 2, so be it. Igor isnt going anywhere. The roster needs to relearn that effort is non-negotiable.

But surely it will be more than a year or 2. The team won't get over the hump because they give a shit. I don't know if you're suggesting the organization doesn't invest in trying to find talent until this team shows they care enough, or if you see us finding enough talent within to be competitive again after a year or 2. I can't see the later happening. The decline of the vets has been far greater than the growth of the young players. The gap is pretty significant from what the core was previously doing.

 

[McRanger92]

But surely it will be more than a year or 2. The team won't get over the hump because they give a shit. I don't know if you're suggesting the organization doesn't invest in trying to find talent until this team shows they care enough, or if you see us finding enough talent within to be competitive again after a year or 2. I can't see the later happening. The decline of the vets has been far greater than the growth of the young players. The gap is pretty significant from what the core was previously doing.

Don't get a head of yourself. We're not even done with the teardown yet. You dont know they wont be a better team in 2 years. Hell, theyll probably be a better team in 2 months as these these sad sack veterans are starting to go.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Nothing will change if lack of accountability and shit player development aren’t addressed

I always think NYR is behind the eight ball on player development because the thought is they can always buy talent. Which doesn't make sense in the cap world. But still, that's how they act.