Who are your 5th -10th best players ever?

5. Crosby/Jagr
6. Jagr/Crosby
7. Lidstrom
8. Ovechkin
9. Messier
10. Flip a coin with Sakic and Yzerman

I think McDavid is close and Mackinnon, Kucherov not far behind. When McDavid gets a Cup, he skyrockets up the list. Mac and Kuch just need more years and inevitable points/hardware. Makar also I think will be on the list with a couple more Norris's. The points are coming quick too.

Goalies I think deserve their own list.

When its all said and done

1. Wayne
2. Mario
3. Orr
4. Howe
5. McDavid
6. Jagr or Crosby
7. Crosby or Jagr
8. Makar
9. Ovechkin or MacKinnon
10. MacKinnon or Ovechkin
 
Messier was such a POS and would never be anywhere near my top guys list.

He wouldn’t last a season in the league now with how he played. He injured a lot of guys with cheap shots and these blatant attempts to hurt guys. Modano is one of many examples

I respect a guy like Sakic 100 times more who respected his opponents than I ever would messier.
 
They also played against 5 teams. But yes, so many people putting McDavid ahead of guys being key players winning 5+ Cups is wild. Shows how we only see todays players as relevant.

That’s what happens when a player like McDavid comes in and within just eight seasons, made sure he only trailed Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe in individual hardware like the Hart, Lindsay (Pearson), and Art Ross, and through ten seasons, frequently has the tag “only Gretzky and Lemieux have more or higher” attached to many of his accomplishments.

And when it all takes is a single Cup win for the script to flip overnight, yeah, he’s already there.
 
That’s what happens when a player like McDavid comes in and within just eight seasons, made sure he only trailed Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe in individual hardware like the Hart, Lindsay (Pearson), and Art Ross, and through ten seasons, frequently has the tag “only Gretzky and Lemieux have more or higher” attached to many of his accomplishments.

And when it all takes is a single Cup win for the script to flip overnight, yeah, he’s already there.
To be fair, the Lindsay wasn't awarded until 1970-71 while the Art Ross goes back to 1947-48.
 
To be fair, the Lindsay wasn't awarded until 1970-71 while the Art Ross goes back to 1947-48.

We can retroactively grant those trophies and it wouldn’t change anything. Only Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe have led in points more. Howe would likely have 5 Pearsons/Lindsays, so McDavid would still only trail Gretzky and Howe there.
 
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