Whitecloud hit on Knies | Knies did not return to the game.
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Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
How is there no actual broadcast clip of the hit in this thread yet?
Anyway, it looks as though Whitecloud does everything right. Rule 48 has exemption for exactly this play: hitting through the player while head contact is unavoidable.
Screenshotting frames after the collision to try to prove that a player jumped into the collision is a "first week watching hockey" kind of move. Whitecloud is clearly pushing on his left skate into the hit.
By the way, the physics of the collision is an easy way to understand why the Reaves hit was illegal and this one wasn't. Here, Whitecloud hits through Knies, meaning he experiences significant force and gets launched backwards and up. Reaves, however, picked the head, which offers way less resistive force, and so was barely affected in his momentum.
Anyway, it looks as though Whitecloud does everything right. Rule 48 has exemption for exactly this play: hitting through the player while head contact is unavoidable.
Screenshotting frames after the collision to try to prove that a player jumped into the collision is a "first week watching hockey" kind of move. Whitecloud is clearly pushing on his left skate into the hit.
By the way, the physics of the collision is an easy way to understand why the Reaves hit was illegal and this one wasn't. Here, Whitecloud hits through Knies, meaning he experiences significant force and gets launched backwards and up. Reaves, however, picked the head, which offers way less resistive force, and so was barely affected in his momentum.
King Woodballs
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Did they get a penalty for the major penalty for charging by Pacioretty on Peeke leaving the ice blatantly prior to the hit?
No. No conspiracy after all. Selective memory when it comes to the examples of Toronto being the unfair victim. Parros being incompetent is an entirely separate issue.
On the other hand this looks like a typical hit where the skates end up off the ice as a result of the hit making it look worse. Unless you try a different screenshot as evidence.
Man Bear Pig
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Apparently you need further education. I'm not sure if you know this, but the Leafs suspension history I was talking about pre-dates more than a few days ago. I don't give a shit about the Panthers and they aren't relevant.
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It's a bit high, and his head does get contact right away. But I don't think this is a suspension or a "bad hit".
His feet are on the ice when he first makes contact, and the "principal" point of contact is through the body. Knies (and like half of the league) needs to be better at keeping his head up coming through the neutral zone.
I would have preferred if they left it at 5-and-a-game rather than tone it down with the review. Because if it's close or controversial at all then the call on the ice should stand. That's my only complaint.
I'm a Leafs fan, BTW.
His feet are on the ice when he first makes contact, and the "principal" point of contact is through the body. Knies (and like half of the league) needs to be better at keeping his head up coming through the neutral zone.
I would have preferred if they left it at 5-and-a-game rather than tone it down with the review. Because if it's close or controversial at all then the call on the ice should stand. That's my only complaint.
I'm a Leafs fan, BTW.
TooManyHumans
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I think it was a terrible hit and they need to get these hits out of the game. I do not see how people are thinking this is through the body. He goes straight up through the head.
Romang67
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I haven't been digging deep into this thread. Is the best video in here still a 8 second clip from Omar that has no replays, doesn't show the lead up to the play, and doesn't slow the play down?
If he doesn't leave his feet prior to contact, leaving his feet is not against the rules.
Man Bear Pig
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Are you STILL talking about the Peeke hit? One foot off the ice isn't charging.
Jacob
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Live by the sword.
When a team does that to a top player on Saturday.
Then it's done to them on Wednesday.
Complaining and whining is not an option.
Well after watching all the angles I don't even think he made contact at all with the head. The angle in the op made it look like it was but after seeing the other angles you can clearly see it was an optical illusion created by the black strip on the vegas jersey. I don't know that's my opinion I hate to see soemone get hurt but I don't think I see anything here 99% of the contact including initial contact was shoulder and chest. Hope he's alright
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
Because we use the rules to decide what is illegal instead of our emotions or personal moral compass.
ryan callahan
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Terrible hit. Players like Whitecloud shouldn't be in the league anyways. League would be making Vegas a favour by suspending him.
The Hanging Jowl
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Like a lot of hits I guess. But in this case, he certainly launches himself upwards into the hit, I don't know how anyone could argue with me that.
TooManyHumans
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The rules need changed. These hits should not be allowed in the NHL now that we know the devastating impact of brain injuries.
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hangman005
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Sure but until the rules are changed, they can only rule by what the rules actually are.
Romang67
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Whether he has upward momentum through the hit is irrelevant for the sake of determining whether the hit is illegal, unless it's an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" that results in his hitting the head. If I had any faith in the DoPS, I would leave determining that to them and let them determine whether this falls under "unnecessary extension," or if it's just using ground forces to ensure you can deliver a hard hit to a player skating right at you. Unfortunately, it's the DoPS.
The charging rule does not apply. It's not illegal to use ground forces to hit players, and his skates didn't leave the ice before he made contact with Knies. I had this conversation elsewhere on the forum recently.
Romang67
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Romang67
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Eh, I don't see it. The big question to determine whether this hit was an illegal check to the head is whether Whitecloud's upward momentum through the hit was unnecessary. Trouba had little to no upward extension through the hit, that was just Barron acting as if hitting was illegal.
