Whitecloud hit on Knies | Knies did not return to the game.

[LemonSauceD]

Good hit.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It definitely isn't.

How so? principal point of cpntact is the head, WhiteCloud leaves his feet, there was an injury on the play.

How is it different?

It's the EXACT same hit.

 

[winnipegger]

I know I sound callous but Knies put himself in a very vulnerable position.

 

[Seras]

It was a head shot but not the head, he hit him in the other head not the same head tho.

I don't understand what's so confusing about this people.

Good hit.

Agreed, elbow to the head then head to the ice that's what I like to see out there.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Here we have two players. One is in a low stance, arms tucked, trying to stop an offensive player. He is doing everything right. The other is skating up the ice with the puck, in a hunched position with his head the most forward point of his body. He is the one making head contact unavoidable.

Skating with your head down in a dangerous position is the problem here, not the hit. Hopefully a physical player like Knies will learn from this and not put himself in bad situations in the future.

 

[Dreakmur]

How so? principal point of cpntact is the head, WhiteCloud leaves his feet, there was an injury on the play.

How is it different?

It's the EXACT same hit.

There’s probably 50 differences between the two hits….

It was a head shot but not the head, he hit him in the other head not the same head tho.

I don't understand what's so confusing about this people.

It’s only confusing if you don’t understand that not all contact to the head is illegal.

 

[klmdg]

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Here we have two players. One is in a low stance, arms tucked, trying to stop an offensive player. He is doing everything right. The other is skating up the ice with the puck, in a hunched position with his head the most forward point of his body. He is the one making head contact unavoidable.

Skating with your head down in a dangerous position is the problem here, not the hit. Hopefully a physical player like Knies will learn from this and not put himself in bad situations in the future.

Shockingly, everyone skating up ice in that pic is doing so hunched over with their heads being the most forward part

I wonder why that is?????????

 

[Yepthatsme]

Shockingly, everyone skating up ice in that pic is doing so hunched over with their heads being the most forward part

I wonder why that is?????????

…because they aren’t puck carriers and should not be expecting physical contact? Solved that riddle for you quick

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There’s probably 50 differences between the two hits….



It’s only confusing if you don’t understand that not all contact to the head is illegal.

There is ONE difference.

Blood, and even that was caused by Nurses visor, not the actual hit.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

I don't think this is suspension worthy under the current ruleset. I also think that:
1. It should be
2. If a Leafs player committed the same hit there would be a hearing and probable 1-2 game suspension

 

[klmdg]

…because they aren’t puck carriers and should not be expecting physical contact? Solved that riddle for you quick

Then post a vid of someone skating up ice with the puck without being hunched forward

 

[Yepthatsme]

Then post a vid of someone skating up ice with the puck without being hunched forward then

I’ll save myself the work and just let you google “top 10 hits of 2024”. If you want to get crazy you can do 2023, 2022, or even 2021. Watch all the players take the same stance as whitecloud, and miraculously not pick head. I really don’t think I should have to do analysis on “player doesn’t skate with head down”.

Skating head forward does not magically remove the ability for players to not seperate player from puck. The onus is on the hitter to do everything possible to make a hit clean, the onus on the hittee is to make a clean hit possible.

To help you think about it, from that screen shot what would you like to see different from Whitecloud to ensure that’s a clean hit? Note that picture is 1/6th of a second before the hit occurs.

 

[HofT]

On contact, Knies' head moves first and independently from his body. No matter what, this is a penalty.

 

[egelband]

The hit was over the edge. I think there was some intention. Came right after Shea Theodore got boarded with no call. That said, had the refs called the first one this one might not happen.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It definitely isn't.

It definitely is.

 

[Yepthatsme]

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On contact, Knies' head moves first and independently from his body. No matter what, this is a penalty.

Whitecloud would have had to be 18” shorter to avoid head contact in this replay. This isn’t the IIHF where head contact immediately makes a hit illegal, if you put yourself in a bad position to a guy who’s already committed to the hit it’s fair play.

 

[klmdg]

I’ll save myself the work and just let you google “top 10 hits of 2024”. If you want to get crazy you can do 2023, 2022, or even 2021. Watch all the players take the same stance as whitecloud, and miraculously not pick head.

Skating head forward does not magically remove the ability for players to not seperate player from puck. The onus is on the hitter to do everything possible to make a hit clean, the onus on the hittee is to make a clean hit possible.

That's it, move the goal posts

You are the one that blamed Knies for skating up ice while carrying the puck 'hunched forward'

That's how you f***ing skate forward

He had his head down and looked up too late

Had nothing to do with being hunched forward

 

[Yepthatsme]

That's it, move the goal posts

You are the one that blamed Knies for skating up ice while carrying the puck 'hunched forward'

That's how you f***ing skate forward buddy

He had his head down and looked up too late

Had nothing to do with being hunched forward

I moved the goalposts by asking you to look at videos yourself? I don’t think you understand that term. If this is just a case of you not understanding and it helps, here’s the NHL rules on the matter.

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.

From that screenshot would you say that head contact was avoidable and Whitecloud did something malicious to change that? You failed to answer the last question but I’ll ask again in case you just missed the last one.

Edit: sub-clause 2 of determining if a hit to the head is illegal:

Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I know I sound callous but Knies put himself in a very vulnerable position.

So did Nurse. Still resulted in 5 and a game plus an additional 5 games. Leafs fans know not to expect anything from Parros on this hit.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It definitely is.

That would be your opinion and mine is he threw a pretty solid hit and it wasn't dirty. Refs also didn't see it as a Reaves type hit and didn't penalize him as such.

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On contact, Knies' head moves first and independently from his body. No matter what, this is a penalty.

Absolute beauty. Thanks for the gif.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Here we have two players. One is in a low stance, arms tucked, trying to stop an offensive player. He is doing everything right. The other is skating up the ice with the puck, in a hunched position with his head the most forward point of his body. He is the one making head contact unavoidable.

Skating with your head down in a dangerous position is the problem here, not the hit. Hopefully a physical player like Knies will learn from this and not put himself in bad situations in the future.

Here we have two players. One is in a low stance, arms tucked, trying to stop an offensive player. He is doing everything right. The other is skating up the ice with the puck, in a hunched position with his head the most forward point of his body. He is the one making head contact unavoidable.

Skating with your head down in a dangerous position is the problem here, not the hit. Hopefully a physical player like Nurse will learn from this and not put himself in bad situations in the future.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

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On contact, Knies' head moves first and independently from his body. No matter what, this is a penalty.

The mental gymnastics some people in this thread are doing trying to justify this hit are amazing to me. LDS is a real thing (Leafs derangement syndrome).

 

[dirtydanglez]

beauty. just tough luck for knies

 

[Yepthatsme]

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Here we have two players. One is in a low stance, arms tucked, trying to stop an offensive player. He is doing everything right. The other is skating up the ice with the puck, in a hunched position with his head the most forward point of his body. He is the one making head contact unavoidable.

Skating with your head down in a dangerous position is the problem here, not the hit. Hopefully a physical player like Nurse will learn from this and not put himself in bad situations in the future.

I don’t think you actually want to have a fair discussion over this, but here’s a better angle of the Nurse hit next to the Knies one. I think even the most biased fan can see a big difference between the stances. Nurse is in a position where head contact is avoidable, but Reaves misses the body and mostly contacts head. Knies is in a position where head contact isn’t avoidable, and Whitecloud catches head as he finsishes through the body. Not even remotely relatable hits.

Jealous of wherever you are getting your pictures from though. My grainy screen grabs are nothing in comparison.

 

[DearDiary]

Knies should know better than to skate hunched over and then lowering himself right before contact. The most you could argue is that Whitecloud had time to realize how vulnerable Knies was.