Speculation: which teams are in need of cap space ?

[zcaptain]

Vancouver fricking Canucks. Benning saved his 2 most important players for blast and now we are out of cap room.

- 10.666 million cap as of today
- Ferland to LTIR 3.500 million
- 26 players when Pettersson and Hughes are signed
so reducing the roster by 3 players is an extra 2.200 million

So approx, $16.300,000 to sign Hughes and Pettersson

I think they are fine.........but you know that, already

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I’d send JT Compher to Detroit for nothing. Would add Shane Bowers as the incentive. To the Avs. A worn $2 bill.

But the Avs like JTC for reasons I can’t explain.

He's the top PKing forward on the 7th best PK over the last 2 seasons, leads the Avs forwards in blocked shots over that time and also has the 8th best PPG rate of any Avs forward who has played at least 30 games (~33 points per season). He's a solid bottom 6er who can fill in up the lineup in a pinch. Does that help explain why the Avs like him?

 

[McJedi]

He's the top PKing forward on the 7th best PK over the last 2 seasons, leads the Avs forwards in blocked shots over that time and also has the 8th best PPG rate of any Avs forward who has played at least 30 games (~33 points per season). He's a solid bottom 6er who can fill in up the lineup in a pinch. Does that help explain why the Avs like him?

Not really. Jost, Nuke and PEB were their top PK forwards last year. JTC’s possession stats suck and he drags down pretty much any Avs forward he plays with in terms of possession and shot share. His Corsi stats are always absolute ass. He was -10.8% relative to his teammates last year. That’s atrocious.

He had an unusually lucky shooting season last year at 21%. He’ll never duplicate that again. 46% faceoff wins so be sucks in the circle.

$3.5mm AAV. It’s $4.5mm in cash this year is a hell of a lot to pay a defensively so so player that gets you 33 points.

So no. You haven’t swayed me.

 

[Guardian452]

once you remove the AHL fodder on the roster, then the Canucks have about 13.5 m. cap space and that is including Ferland.
Petey should get a similar contract to Barzal, Tkachuk, and Point... 3/7.
And whatever is left is what Hughes gathers up in a 2 or 3-year deal.

If the team knows that Ferland is not ever coming back, then that gives the team the ability to resign Petey and Quinn to longer-term deals that lock them up for 5 to 6 years at 8.5+

It’s actually about $15.5 M. To start the season Podkolzin, Hoglander, Rathbone are sent to the minors, as you said the extra players - Hunt and 2 of Dowling, Di Giuseppe, Highmore, MacEwen are waived. That puts the Canucks just under the cap with 21 players. Ferland goes in LTIR and the Canucks have room for 3 more players.

 

[Langway]

Right now they are 12 F - 7 D- 2 G.
I mentioned this in another thread, but if Ovie took 150k-200k less, then the Caps could easily promote McMichael or sign a Vet at the league minimum. There is no shuttling between AHL teams when you have no room under the cap.

They may also look to move one of their depth RD. I'm guessing it wouldn't be Schultz but you never know and it would be between him or Jensen. They seem to like TVR and want to get him in as more of a regular. There's also the potential for Chara to return, which could alter their plans for Kempny vs. Fehervary. Nothing may happen until later in camp based on performance/health but at the right price they may want to alter or thin their D mix a bit.

 

[Svechhammer]

But is Gardiner done for the entire season?

That is the expectation.

In reality, I think most of us would be pleasantly surprised (on his behalf) if he ever played again.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Not really. Jost, Nuke and PEB were their top PK forwards last year. JTC’s possession stats suck and he drags down pretty much any Avs forward he plays with in terms of possession and shot share. His Corsi stats are always absolute ass. He was -10.8% relative to his teammates last year. That’s atrocious.

He had an unusually lucky shooting season last year at 21%. He’ll never duplicate that again. 46% faceoff wins so be sucks in the circle.

$3.5mm AAV. It’s $4.5mm in cash this year is a hell of a lot to pay a defensively so so player that gets you 33 points.

So no. You haven’t swayed me.

How are those three the "top PK forwards" when Compher averaged 2:16 per game short handed this season, the most among Avs forwards who played more than 20 games (Calvert had 2:20 per game in 18 games)? When Compher is healthy enough to play, he's the top PKing forward.

And, Compher was 2nd to PEB in defensive ZS% among Avs fowards. Since he's out there in tough defensive situations much more frequently than he's getting a prime offensive chances, those Corsi results are completely expected, so I'm not sure why you're pretending it's proof of something.

I also don't know why his shooting % from a 47 shot sample is a huge negative. Ignoring this season, he's a career 11.2% shooter, which is pretty good. For comparison, Saad was a career 11.4% shooter coming into this season. Is that really bad?

Yes, he struggles in the circle, but as a winger, who cares?

His cap hit is a little higher than ideal, but Blake Coleman, another defensive specialist who averages ~33 points, just got $4.9m as a UFA.

 

[banks]

What teams haven't dumped someone on Arizona yet?

 

[deca guard]

any opinions on specific players and what it would cost their team in draft picks to move the contract ?

 

[CupInSIX]

Vegas is right at the cap - Tuch LTIR for the start of the season, but come February they’ll have to navigate the cap possibly waiving Carrier and Koelsar and going with only 12 F.

Caps are also at the Cap, but waiving Kempny gives them the space.

Blues are right as well - still need to sign Thomas and I believe there was rumor of Bozak having a deal in place... even with Sunny on LTIR to start the season it will be tricky to add both Bozak and Thomas.

Canes have Gardiner on LTIR with Hip surgery.

Edmonton is still trying to get Yamamoto signed and have some players that can be waived to creat some space and of course LTIR for Klefbom

Canuck could be hard pressed depending on the deals for Hughes and Petey

Nah that's not happening. Carrier has decent value and they were terrified of putting Kolesar on waivers this past season (despite the crazy roster problems it created). Besides, they always make a trade near the deadline so expect them to play it by ear & move whoever is in the doghouse by then. I would imagine they would also make room for Krebs or actually trade for a 1C.

They still need to get a hair under that cap and whether that means waiving Howden (unlikely considering they just paid a 4th to get him) or some other cap moves remains to be seen. According to capfriendly, the easiest thing would be waiving Holden & signing Coghlan to an AAV of 847k but I doubt it.

 

[SI]

Nah that's not happening. Carrier has decent value and they were terrified of putting Kolesar on waivers this past season (despite the crazy roster problems it created). Besides, they always make a trade near the deadline so expect them to play it by ear & move whoever is in the doghouse by then. I would imagine they would also make room for Krebs or actually trade for a 1C.

They still need to get a hair under that cap and whether that means waiving Howden (unlikely considering they just paid a 4th to get him) or some other cap moves remains to be seen. According to capfriendly, the easiest thing would be waiving Holden & signing Coghlan to an AAV of 847k but I doubt it.

Vegas has no issue starting the season - they will place Tuch on LTIR and resign Patrick and Coghlan to fill a 22man roster at 13F, 7 D, 2 G. The post you are responding to regards WHEN Tuch returns to the line-up midseason.

Waiving Howden is not enough even if they. resigned Patrick and Coghlan to the league minimum. They would have to waive Howden and Carrier to fit a roster of 12-7-2. And if they want to add Krebs, then another player needs to be moved whether that is Janmark, Roy, or Kolesar.

If the solution to the Vegas cap problem is a trade at TDL, then it has to be a player with a considerable cap (like Janmark and that might not be enough and might need to still waive Carrier) and that feels odd when they will be chasing the SC.

 

[CupInSIX]

Vegas has no issue starting the season - they will place Tuch on LTIR and resign Patrick and Coghlan to fill a 22man roster at 13F, 7 D, 2 G. The post you are responding to regards WHEN Tuch returns to the line-up midseason.

Waiving Howden is not enough even if they. resigned Patrick and Coghlan to the league minimum. They would have to waive Howden and Carrier to fit a roster of 12-7-2. And if they want to add Krebs, then another player needs to be moved whether that is Janmark, Roy, or Kolesar.

If the solution to the Vegas cap problem is a trade at TDL, then it has to be a player with a considerable cap (like Janmark and that might not be enough and might need to still waive Carrier) and that feels odd when they will be chasing the SC.

Yes I know that.

According to capfriendly they're 37k over the cap right now (which may or may not be official).

 

[SI]

Yes I know that.

According to capfriendly they're 37k over the cap right now (which may or may not be official).

They have to sign Coghlan and Patrick once they do that, they will be more than 37K over.
If they sign both to league minimum they are now 1.537 over the Cap and Again, that is fine to start the season.

When Tuch comes back... Howden's .885 is not enough to cover the difference at 1.537 and neither is Carrier's entire cap hit (via trade) or Buried (1.15 AAV).

 

[CupInSIX]

They have to sign Coghlan and Patrick once they do that, they will be more than 37K over.
If they sign both to league minimum they are now 1.537 over the Cap and Again, that is fine to start the season.

When Tuch comes back... Howden's .885 is not enough to cover the difference at 1.537 and neither is Carrier's entire cap hit (via trade) or Buried (1.15 AAV).

I understand that too. I understand that they need to get back under the cap when Tuch is back from LTIR. There's not much point in speculating how they'll do that in January or Feb but I doubt they'll waive Kolesar if they wouldn't last season.

What I'm saying is according to Capfriendly, it looks like they might need to shed some more cap on opening day before putting Tuch on regular season LTIR.

 

[SI]

I understand that too. I understand that they need to get back under the cap when Tuch is back from LTIR. There's not much point in speculating how they'll do that in January or Feb but I doubt they'll waive Kolesar if they wouldn't last season.

What I'm saying is according to Capfriendly, it looks like they might need to shed some more cap on opening day before putting Tuch on regular season LTIR.

I think that is an easy fix for them - whether it is putting Tuch on Offseason LTIR on the last of the offseason or during camp and then transferring him to regular season LTIR on Day 1.

If they need to, then Kolesar IMO would clear waivers.

 

[Fonfon]

Montreal can trade Kulak for more cap space

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal can trade Kulak for more cap space

Don't matter if you like Kulak or not but Bergevin loves his depth on D. Bergevin won't be trading Kulak to free up space. More likely it's one of Drouin or Byron. When Byron comes back, Habs have to make a trade. Why? Cause with Weber on LTIR before the season starts, our accrued cap space is affected.

I believe the Habs will stay put and might make a move late in the year or early in the new year.

 

[mouser]

I think that is an easy fix for them - whether it is putting Tuch on Offseason LTIR on the last of the offseason or during camp and then transferring him to regular season LTIR on Day 1.

If they need to, then Kolesar IMO would clear waivers.

Using a training camp LTIR would be sub-optimal given the current roster. Would waste somewhere around $2m of Tuch's LTIR relief.

It might still be necessary though depending on who the team is willing to risk via waivers.

 

[SI]

Using a training camp LTIR would be sub-optimal given the current roster. Would waste somewhere around $2m of Tuch's LTIR relief.

It might still be necessary though depending on who the team is willing to risk via waivers.

Would it be that much?

The leafs put Clarkson and Horton on LTIR during the offseason and received the full price tag of their cap relief.

 

[SI]

I understand that too. I understand that they need to get back under the cap when Tuch is back from LTIR. There's not much point in speculating how they'll do that in January or Feb but I doubt they'll waive Kolesar if they wouldn't last season.

What I'm saying is according to Capfriendly, it looks like they might need to shed some more cap on opening day before putting Tuch on regular season LTIR.

This might not even be an issue. @mouser can confirm. The team will be over but they have that 10% cushion during the offseason.

 

[mouser]

Would it be that much?

The leafs put Clarkson and Horton on LTIR during the offseason and received the full price tag of their cap relief.

They actually received a little less then 100%, but still close to maximum amount.

The problem is the Vegas roster is not structured well to use a training camp LTIR. An ideal training camp LTIR would have Vegas about $4.75m above the cap. Whereas it looks like they’re likely be pushing maybe $3m above the cap, depending on what Patrick gets.

That delta between the amount over and Tuch’s $4.75m will be lost.

 

[Brew]

Vancouver, before they lose Petterson.

 

[SI]

They actually received a little less then 100%, but still close to maximum amount.

The problem is the Vegas roster is not structured well to use a training camp LTIR. An ideal training camp LTIR would have Vegas about $4.75m above the cap. Whereas it looks like they’re likely be pushing maybe $3m above the cap, depending on what Patrick gets.

That delta between the amount over and Tuch’s $4.75m will be lost.

But that Delta could be made up by a new contract to Patrick and Coghlan, right?
BUT Tuch is returning.

A team normally would want to get the full relief IF the player is not returning from LTIR. Since Tuch is returning in February
it will be easier to shed 3m salary vs. 4.75.

So the best way to move forward for VGK would be to sign a 1 year 1 m contract for Patrick and a one way league minimum for coghlan. this gets the team to 22 man roster and using only half of Tuch’s 4.75 cap hit.

When Tuch returns burying Carrier and waiving Koelsar or Howden makes them good with a 21 man roster. Or they make a trade to get cap relief ... maybe Janmark goes for picks.

 

[mouser]

But that Delta could be made up by a new contract to Patrick and Coghlan, right?
BUT Tuch is returning.

A team normally would want to get the full relief IF the player is not returning from LTIR. Since Tuch is returning in February
it will be easier to shed 3m salary vs. 4.75.

So the best way to move forward for VGK would be to sign a 1 year 1 m contract for Patrick and a one way league minimum for coghlan. this gets the team to 22 man roster and using only half of Tuch’s 4.75 cap hit.

When Tuch returns burying Carrier and waiving Koelsar or Howden makes them good with a 21 man roster. Or they make a trade to get cap relief ... maybe Janmark goes for picks.

Vegas doesn’t want to spend all of the $4.75m on permanent replacement players because Tuch is returning,

Its still better to maximize the Tuch LTIR during the period he’s out. If Vegas submits a full 23 man roster and uses training camp LTIR then they have $0 free LTIR space available with ~$3m LTIR used. If they can work out a day 1 LTIR then they can get closer to the full $4.75m, using $3m on recalls and having the remaining $1.75m open for any other short term injuries.

Having the extra space gives Vegas more flexibility to maintain a 23 man roster while Tuch is out. If they use training camp LTIR and a short term injury happens they have to run with 22 players, whereas with a day 1 LTIR they could still have space for a replacement back to 23.

 

[SI]

Vegas doesn’t want to spend all of the $4.75m on permanent replacement players because Tuch is returning,

Its still better to maximize the Tuch LTIR during the period he’s out. If Vegas submits a full 23 man roster and uses training camp LTIR then they have $0 free LTIR space available with ~$3m LTIR used. If they can work out a day 1 LTIR then they can get closer to the full $4.75m, using $3m on recalls and having the remaining $1.75m open for any other short term injuries.

Having the extra space gives Vegas more flexibility to maintain a 23 man roster while Tuch is out. If they use training camp LTIR and a short term injury happens they have to run with 22 players, whereas with a day 1 LTIR they could still have space for a replacement back to 23.

The bolded statement supersedes your counterpoint of maximizing Tuch’s Full cap hit.

Vegas has played stretches with a 20 and 21 man rosters last season. I think the flexibility to quickly free up the cap space needed when Tuch returns outweighs the benefit of a 23 man roster or protecting against a short term injury.

I wonder if there is another way to close the cap and maximize the Tuch cap space- Like starting the season with a player on IR, say Janmark (2m). Vegas then calls up Krebs and now the team is using most of Tuch’S cap hit. The team would have a 24 man roster with 1 player on IR. A week into the season Krebs gets demoted and Janmark comes back from IR and Vegas has the space.

Maybe even two players start the season on IR for the first couple of weeks. Lou and Isles did it last season with Dal Colle