Baksfamous112
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Why not?There's just 0 chance you would look at it like this if it was Montreal.
Why not?There's just 0 chance you would look at it like this if it was Montreal.
I think this is a fairly obvious point. Look at your evaluations in this entire thread. You're having a hard time being objective about the players on your favorite teams in comparison to your teams biggest rivals. Players dont peak at 21, especially d men. He was much better at 23 than he was 21 which shows your flawed logic and materially poor evaluation of the player. He has struggled with injuries the last few years he had short periods of play which you saw the player from 21-23 years old but its clear he has battled a wrist injury. He finally had surgery on it, we will see if it gets back to 100 percent. One things for certain guys dont just lose it all together especially at the prime of their career. He is finally going to have a real NHL d coach for the first time in his career and a coaching staff that will play with structure. He has alot to prove with how inconsistent he has been but again I think that has alot more to do with alot of injuries and organizational turmoil that was relying on him too much.Why not?
Yes I think Chabot peaked at 21 and no I don’t think he can get back to that level he was playing back then. I don’t know why you would think this is some kind of gross statement. You even acknowledge yourself in the bolded that he’s not as good as he was when he was 21-22 and I believe it’s pretty safe to say most Ottawa fans would agree with that statement.
I don’t know why people from Montreal always have to try and attack someone personally or their opinion when they don’t agree with them. I guess it’s some sort of defence mechanism when they don’t have a counter argument.
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That's ... probably the reasonable take here. Bigger upside "sum", if that makes any sense, and no actual core player will be on their downside in the medium term (Matheson is arguably core and may hit his downside, but he's not, say, Claude Giroux that can't reasonably be expected to be as effective in 2028).Montreal has the highest ceiling but are further away from reaching their ceiling.
I’m not saying he lost it all or that he isn’t good. My point is he’s not a #1 D and hasn’t played like one since his 21-22 years old season. Everyone and their mother could make that assessment right now.I think this is a fairly obvious point. Look at your evaluations in this entire thread. You're having a hard time being objective about the players on your favorite teams in comparison to your teams biggest rivals. Players dont peak at 21, especially d men. He was much better at 23 than he was 21 which shows your flawed logic and materially poor evaluation of the player. He has struggled with injuries the last few years he had short periods of play which you saw the player from 21-23 years old but its clear he has battled a wrist injury. He finally had surgery on it, we will see if it gets back to 100 percent. One things for certain guys dont just lose it all together especially at the prime of their career. He is finally going to have a real NHL d coach for the first time in his career and a coaching staff that will play with structure. He has alot to prove with how inconsistent he has been but again I think that has alot more to do with alot of injuries and organizational turmoil that was relying on him too much.
1. That’s where he should he slated right now on a decent to great team, yes.Your opinion was that Chabot was a #3 D-man, which is ridiculous. I then provided facts, stats, even advanced stats that show that Chabot is quite more than that but you decided to keep that "opinion"... OK
Even if Chabot was not as good as usual the last 2 seasons (bunch of injuries, disorganized teams), he was still Top-30 in PPG among D-men, 7th in EV TOI/GP and excelled in transition as usual. He struggled defensively at times and with injuries, on a team where it has been frequent
But to say that a 27 y/o guy has peaked at 21 y/o is also quite the opinion... He had his best PPG that season but even if it remains his highest, it doesn't mean he will have peaked. If he was a #3 like you say, I doubt he'd be such a fixture on TC, like in 2021-22 (I know, so long ago) where he was TC's captain
Finally, IF I attacked you personally, don't worry you'd know it by now. I am heavily criticizing your opinions though and I totally have the right to do that
Since when? There's always been dips and valleys.I’m not saying he lost it all or that he isn’t good. My point is he’s not a #1 D and hasn’t played like one since his 21-22 years old season. Everyone and their mother could make that assessment right now.
Growth is linear. Nagging injuries can alter someone’s career in a very negative way. Maybe he comes back healthy and play well but not many players who battled injuries and slowed down - even at a young age - was able to come back and peak again.
My evaluation of Habs players has nothing to do with other teams as well. I think I have been quite fair with what Montreal has and will have on D in the next 5 years - which was that Montreal probably won’t have that bonafida #1 D but will have enough 2-4 depth to make it work and compete against the best D out there.
I meant to say it isn’t linear. My apologiesSince when? There's always been dips and valleys.
1 hour to Niagara on the Lake. 2 hours to Toronto. Not a bad deal May - November Just go somewhere else Winter and early Spring.A guy like Rivet stayed when he discovered how much house he could buy in a suburb with a rep for good schools and safety. He's not alone and it gets weirder when they are people who didn't play for the team like Marcel Dionne or Darryl Sittler who made their homes there after retiring.
NOBODY has a worse prospect pool than the PenguinsOttawa has a worse prospect pool than the Penguins, so not them.
I really like this description of Detroit. I was thinking that they'd be the most likely to put it together, but wasn't able to really describe why until I read what you wrote. That's exactly why.
I think if Buffalo could put it together, then they would have the brightest future, but Detroit seems more likely to actually do so, so they've got my vote.
Montreal is still too far away to make a decent guess about what their future will be.
Yager and Pickering are decent prospects. I'd put them ahead of Boston, Florida, Tampa, and NYI at the bottom of the league.NOBODY has a worse prospect pool than the Penguins
Yager and Pickering are decent prospects. I'd put them ahead of Boston, Florida, Tampa, and NYI at the bottom of the league.
I'd say Ottawa isn't too far off Pittsburgh though.
That's more than the lightning or islanders got.They are good prospects, they are also all Pittsburgh has got.
Pittsburgh has 2 guys worth anything
The Habs have basically two DemiGods.Only one of these teams has Juraj Slafkovsky
I like your explanation for why Ottawa could have success this year. I have a hard time picking them because I got burned too many times, thinking they would finally be good, but it remains true that they have too many good parts to keep being bad. Unlikely you, I am not too certain Ullmark will be that good. Ullmark never was seen as a high end #1 goaltending before playing in Boston. Did he improve over his time there or was the system a good fit for him/the system makes goaltenders look good? Truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I have a really hard time knowing which extremity it will fall closer to.Ottawa. I hate them but the answer is Ottawa if Ullmark plays like he can for a few years. Having Pinto for a full season will also be big for them as I think he’s really good. Definitely a 2C.
They’re core is really freaking good, they were just held back by some atrocious goaltending and some absolute nonsense (Noris injuries, stupid Pinto gambling ban, coaching, Dadonov situation, new ownership, etc). I live in Ottawa and trust me, the franchise had a lot drama the last couple of years and I think this year might be a chance at a clean slate for this group.
I think for the next couple of years until their new contracts are up they will surprise.
I think this past draft will be huge for them in the long run. I think their core+Ullmark has a real chance to take off for good this year and this may be the last time for a bit they have a top pick. This pick hitting could be a massive add down the line and I’m really not the biggest fan of them picking Yakemchuk. Should have just traded the pick or even traded back to pick more assets instead of picking him at 7. That being said I am not a scout, what do I know. But yeah, if they hit on him and he becomes that physical top 4 RD with offensive flair and that big shot then they are set.
They have to forfeit one of their next 2 first rounders. Big loss. Either as a trade chip to add to their team or another crack at a youngster that if he hits would be a big add on ELC money when their big names hit their prime years and are making big money.
But even with Yakemchuk not hitting and losing a first rounder, at the end of the day top end talent wins and currently Ottawa has the best top end talent of this group. It’s a lot easier to acquire complimentary pieces than it is to acquire a core of Tkachuk/Stutzle/Batherson/Pinto/Norris/Sanderson/Chabot/Zub/Ullmark.
Prospect pools are just that, prospects pool. Means nothing unless they actually pan out. The jump from Juniors/NCAA/AHL/Europe to the NHL is a monstrous one that very few can overcome. And prospects mean nothing unless they actually get a chance to play so they can develop. Look at Buffalo, all those sick prospects but how many of them can crack their rotation and get actual playing time? They just traded one of their top prospect (Savoie) for a bottom sixer. Will be interesting to see what Buffalo does with those talented kids that won’t get playing time. Would Nick Suzuki have become the player he his today if he wasn’t traded to a team that like Montreal that was starving for Centers and that could give him NHL reps right away? What if he gets buried in the AHL or gets moved to the wings because his new team already has their C rotation figured out.
Speaking of Suzuki, as a biased Hab fan, Suzuki has 23 pts in 32 playoffs games. 7 pts in 10 games his first playoffs taste. In his second playoffs appearance, he had 16 pts in 22 games in a final run at the age of 22. All for a team that probably had the worst offense entering the playoffs that year. We’ll see what the other centers in this discussion who are better than Suzuki will do when (if) they get to the playoffs.![]()
That being said, even though I am not an Ottawa fan, I would be happy for them if they made the playoffs. I don't really want them to be a joke throughout the league. I don't think this helps anyone.
Weird take about players wanting to come to Detroit. First of all money talks, second Detroit wouldn't win out over AT LEAST 20 teams in desirability for climate, tax situation and competitiveness. Thinking this is a bankable virtue is a stretch. It is home for some but otherwise not much to like.Original 6, storied franchise with a brand new arena vs whatever the sens have going for them? A growing population I guess lol? One of the oldest, most successful sports cities in North America, vs a city that has a CFL team now I guess?
Detroits in a unique position because after the white flight from the richest city in America, the suburbs became very wealthy while the inner city is obviously not. The athletesin Detroit dont live on 8 mile.
Speaking of organisations ranking these things, theyre ranking Detroit, not Birmingham or Royal Oak so they mean literally nothing to this discussion. Speaking of rankings, heres the athletic ranking Ottawa only 2nd to Winnipeg for worst place to play on the road in the NHL, which is way more relevant to the discussion
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5239046/2024/01/31/nhl-player-poll-2024/
Yeah housing prices also have nothing to do with Canada being in arguably the largest housing bubble of all time and the teams are in completely different countries.
Lol,when youre talking about literally one of the least desirable cities in the NHL it absolutely matters. Ottawa happens to be one of those teams
Not a one on one match with the UnderPanther?It used to be a thread debating Detroit and Montreal, and now Ottawa and buffalo got invited.
It's like teddy long came to HF, called everyone playas, and then introduced Ottawa and buffalo to make it a fatal 4 way match.