vadim sharifijanov
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there was also a certain risebrough trade involving gilmour, macoun, gary leeman, and michel petit
Which GM hire was most damaging for their team?
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there was also a certain risebrough trade involving gilmour, macoun, gary leeman, and michel petit
Chuck was a GM with no ideas. Hexy was a GM with bad ideas. I have a hard time deciding which was worse. Both make me long for Homer, who himself was very hit or miss.
WatchfulElm
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Réjean Houle AINEC.
Inherited a team with Turgeon, Recchi, Damphousse, Koivu, Roy, Theodore, Malakhov, Odelein, Brisebois, etc.
5 years later, the best players left were Koivu, Petrov, Savage, Brisebois, Weinrich and Theodore. And there was no tanking involved.
It took the Habs 10 years to recover and some might argue they still haven't.
Inherited a team with Turgeon, Recchi, Damphousse, Koivu, Roy, Theodore, Malakhov, Odelein, Brisebois, etc.
5 years later, the best players left were Koivu, Petrov, Savage, Brisebois, Weinrich and Theodore. And there was no tanking involved.
It took the Habs 10 years to recover and some might argue they still haven't.
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The leafs had a string of bad management
John Ferguson Jr. 2003-2008
* Traded Star prospect Tuuka Rask for Andrew Raycroft who they could of gotten for free as he’s on verge of getting bought out
* Trades 1st round pick to Sharks for Vesa Toskla who quickly fizzles out. Sharks work around this and turned it into Logan Couture
* Pavel Kubina signed for 5X4. Mind you this is a time when 5 million was A LOT under the cap
*Failed and somewhat embarrassing experiments with Jason Allison and Eric Lindros
*Signs Jason Blake to a bloated retirement contract that he never lives up.
* Failed drafting mostly due to always trading picks away when it was clearly time to rebuild. The only first round pick that he didn’t trade off was Jiri Tlusty. Who is more known for sending nude photos of himself getting leaked.
Cliff Fletcher - 2008
* Sundin soap opera was embarrassing for a captain that gave us everything.
* Runs Bryan McCabe out town lowering his value doing it and needed to add a pick just to trade him for glass man Mike Van Ryan.
* Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo traded for Lee Stempinak. A move that made 0 sense even for a team trying to clear the deck. Stempinak was very vanilla player and later traded for nothing to show for. Alex Steen ends up having a great career in St.Louis
* Signs Jeff Finger(he had 94 games under his belt) to 3.5X4 contract after supposedly mistaking him for another player. They have denied this(Who wouldn’t?) but it’s only way to make sense why someone would give Jeff f***ing Finger a contract like that.
* We finally don’t trade our 1st rounder. We take Luke Schenn with number 5 pick. Not a bad player by all means but kinda starts the trend that we want a mean and tough team. Luke Schenn had ridiculous hype that he was never gonna live up to. Oh yeah a guy named Erik Karlsson was picked 10 spots later btw. Hindsight is always 20/20 but still.
* This isn’t even a full calendar year…
Brian Burke 2008-2013
* Tries to make us into an old school style that fits the 70s which also made us a very slow team in a game that getting faster.
* The Kessel to Boston trade with drafts picks with no conditions. We finished 2nd last and didn’t get use the 2nd overall pick which was Seguin. Dougie Hamilton was the next pick a year later
* Trades for Dion Phaneuf and didn’t need give much of anything for it. The mistake was making him captain and making guys like him and Kessel the face of your franchise when it’s not what they are.
* Signs guys like Komersiak, Armstrong because they fit his style. They were completely cooked
* Drafting wasn’t as bad as before(He did give us Kadri and Reilly) but the traded picks for Kessel is what’s remembered most. Also used his picks on players that fit his style that were bust.(Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy)Burke was a stubborn GM that would never change his ways or admit he made mistakes
* Even moves that looked good would just blow up in his face. François Beauchemin was horrendous during his time here.
Dave Nonis - 2013-2015
* He was really the same as Brian Butke minus the media presence. They both had the same vision and styles preferences
* Game 7 2013 meltdown in Boston happened under his watch
* Signs grinder forward David Clarkson to 5.25million FOR 7 YEARS. You would think they would learn their lesson by now.
* Signs Kessel and Phaneuf to franchise long term contracts at the time. Again not bad players but the kind to be the face of your franchise.
* Signs Joffrey Lupul 5.5X5 contract despite being a walking band aid. He doesn’t even play half this contract.
* Trades Liles for Tim Gleason just to buy him out.
* Signs a 37 year old and injury prone Stéphane Robidas to 3X3. The term Robidas Island started here. Again lessons not learned signing players that are completely cooked
* 2014-15 season under his watch was probably the most somber I ever been as a leaf fan
Probably missing a lot more for these eras but Jesus Christ. We would later get a rep for always building a team too soft but we tried to build a “tough” team for a decade and it always blew up in our faces.
John Ferguson Jr. 2003-2008
* Traded Star prospect Tuuka Rask for Andrew Raycroft who they could of gotten for free as he’s on verge of getting bought out
* Trades 1st round pick to Sharks for Vesa Toskla who quickly fizzles out. Sharks work around this and turned it into Logan Couture
* Pavel Kubina signed for 5X4. Mind you this is a time when 5 million was A LOT under the cap
*Failed and somewhat embarrassing experiments with Jason Allison and Eric Lindros
*Signs Jason Blake to a bloated retirement contract that he never lives up.
* Failed drafting mostly due to always trading picks away when it was clearly time to rebuild. The only first round pick that he didn’t trade off was Jiri Tlusty. Who is more known for sending nude photos of himself getting leaked.
Cliff Fletcher - 2008
* Sundin soap opera was embarrassing for a captain that gave us everything.
* Runs Bryan McCabe out town lowering his value doing it and needed to add a pick just to trade him for glass man Mike Van Ryan.
* Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo traded for Lee Stempinak. A move that made 0 sense even for a team trying to clear the deck. Stempinak was very vanilla player and later traded for nothing to show for. Alex Steen ends up having a great career in St.Louis
* Signs Jeff Finger(he had 94 games under his belt) to 3.5X4 contract after supposedly mistaking him for another player. They have denied this(Who wouldn’t?) but it’s only way to make sense why someone would give Jeff f***ing Finger a contract like that.
* We finally don’t trade our 1st rounder. We take Luke Schenn with number 5 pick. Not a bad player by all means but kinda starts the trend that we want a mean and tough team. Luke Schenn had ridiculous hype that he was never gonna live up to. Oh yeah a guy named Erik Karlsson was picked 10 spots later btw. Hindsight is always 20/20 but still.
* This isn’t even a full calendar year…
Brian Burke 2008-2013
* Tries to make us into an old school style that fits the 70s which also made us a very slow team in a game that getting faster.
* The Kessel to Boston trade with drafts picks with no conditions. We finished 2nd last and didn’t get use the 2nd overall pick which was Seguin. Dougie Hamilton was the next pick a year later
* Trades for Dion Phaneuf and didn’t need give much of anything for it. The mistake was making him captain and making guys like him and Kessel the face of your franchise when it’s not what they are.
* Signs guys like Komersiak, Armstrong because they fit his style. They were completely cooked
* Drafting wasn’t as bad as before(He did give us Kadri and Reilly) but the traded picks for Kessel is what’s remembered most. Also used his picks on players that fit his style that were bust.(Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy)Burke was a stubborn GM that would never change his ways or admit he made mistakes
* Even moves that looked good would just blow up in his face. François Beauchemin was horrendous during his time here.
Dave Nonis - 2013-2015
* He was really the same as Brian Butke minus the media presence. They both had the same vision and styles preferences
* Game 7 2013 meltdown in Boston happened under his watch
* Signs grinder forward David Clarkson to 5.25million FOR 7 YEARS. You would think they would learn their lesson by now.
* Signs Kessel and Phaneuf to franchise long term contracts at the time. Again not bad players but the kind to be the face of your franchise.
* Signs Joffrey Lupul 5.5X5 contract despite being a walking band aid. He doesn’t even play half this contract.
* Trades Liles for Tim Gleason just to buy him out.
* Signs a 37 year old and injury prone Stéphane Robidas to 3X3. The term Robidas Island started here. Again lessons not learned signing players that are completely cooked
* 2014-15 season under his watch was probably the most somber I ever been as a leaf fan
Probably missing a lot more for these eras but Jesus Christ. We would later get a rep for always building a team too soft but we tried to build a “tough” team for a decade and it always blew up in our faces.
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Deadpool8812
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Not necessarily. While Fletcher was GM at the time of the hiring, reports came out that Fletcher was not interested in hiring Tortorella, but was overruled by the Old Boys Club, which includes Clarke, Holmgren, Barber and Briere
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Tkachuk wanted out. Treliving didn't have a choice.Garth Snow was GM when that contract was signed. & ultimately, it was ownership's idea.
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All star line up? That only works if they play well together. The locker room was too divided to call it an all star line up.
Bogosian** Botts brought in Montour. And i would NOT take GMTM back. He was funny for a little while, but clearly had no idea how to manage assets.
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I don't recall if this was the sentiment at the time, but the Leafs had a lot of left shot wingers in the top 9 (Blake-Ponikarovsky-Hagman-Kulemin) and they just wanted a right shot in Stempniak? In Steen's last three games with Toronto, he was down to 11:53, 9:58, and 11:53 per game. Stempniak had a 27 goal season in 2005-06 and had 13 points in 14 games before the trade.
Sometimes it's tough, other teams have made trades to balance out the lineup. Kyle Palmieri was blocked by Corey Perry and Jakob Silfverberg in Anaheim. They essentially swapped Palmieri for Carl Hagelin with the thought that they were trading their 3RW for somebody they could use as a 2LW. Devils did this last year when they traded Yegor Sharangovich for Tyler Toffoli. And then going back a ways, they traded Brian Rolston for Claude Lemieux to balance out the lines.
Dubas broke an entire culture and team through their entire window. He signed awful contracts, allowed himself to be bullied by agents and did not use RFA status at all.
Now there’s a team full of money first guys, very poorly built that cannot easily be reversed. If he forced Marner / Nylander to sit or sign 8x8’s and got Matthews on a 11 x 8, they’d have a culture of guys taking team friendly deals. They had a perfect 2C too but they moved him for nothing and signed another for 11m.
Now he’s absolutely wrote off the pens while Washington does exactly what the pens aimed to do.
Now there’s a team full of money first guys, very poorly built that cannot easily be reversed. If he forced Marner / Nylander to sit or sign 8x8’s and got Matthews on a 11 x 8, they’d have a culture of guys taking team friendly deals. They had a perfect 2C too but they moved him for nothing and signed another for 11m.
Now he’s absolutely wrote off the pens while Washington does exactly what the pens aimed to do.
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Ya he hasn’t been great but hextall crippled the pens last chances. The only thing bad Dubas has done is delay rebuilding
Hextall was pretty bad too. I’m not a caps fan but watching them go from over the hill to a playoff team with a few creative moves and a bit of risk was good to see and I’m happy for them. They succeeded at what the pens failed
Chet Manley
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I really like Craig McTavish based on his career as player, coach, and occasional media dude. But his stint as the Oilers GM was a train wreck. Just awful teams. Mostly because Dallas Eakins. Publically expressing his lack of confidence in Dubnyk being a starter before he was given the job(don't do that goalies are crazy). An attitude of always being the smartest man in the room seemed to put off the other GMs from dealing with him. Like a fresh university graduate coming into your world and telling everyone how it is. Maybe none of this sounds concrete enough for worst GM.
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Thats minimizing their draft success too
Protas is # 2 in points
McMichael is #6 in points
The caps started their rebuild in 2019. The penguins continue to go for it with JR and then Hextall just did a whooping nothing for 2.5 years except make them even older lol.
Dubas hasn't been good but if the pens were following the caps success it would have had to start with a retool in 2019 with JR.
Im not really trying to defend Dubas by the way. He sucked with the Leafs but his impact on the pens has been pretty minimal TBH. they were toast when he got here.
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Dubas still isn't as bad as Kevyn Adams.
In order for Dubas to be as bad as Kevyn he would have needed to miss the playoffs every year of his tenure as GM with the Leafs.
And he would have needed to trade away Matthews and Marner and also lost a goalie for literally nothing who would go on to win a Vezina 2 years later.
And then Matthews would have gone on to win a cup his first full season free of the Leafs, and Marner 2 seasons after.
It's not even close.
Milbury basically traded away an all-star team worth of talent. Luongo, Chara, Spezza, Jokinen, Bertuzzi, McCabe, DUmont, etc..
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Maybe the weird thing about Milbury was that he survived the ownership change(s). Normally when there's a new owner they'll want to clean house.
There was the weird saga with John Spano being in line to buy the team in 1996 but that all unraveled by summer 1997 and Spano was indicted on a bunch of charges. Islanders didn't get new ownership until 2000 and even one of those owners ended up in prison soon after.
Sometimes it's a luxury to have stable ownership with a clear direction. Milbury probably wasn't a good GM to begin with but it seemed like Jekyl and Hyde in terms of he's selling one year because one owner forced him to slash the budget and then buying the next year because the new owner wanted to win now.
Edit: I'm sure Islanders fans could provide more details but it was a rocky decade to say the least:
July 1995: Milbury hired as coach. Owner John Pickett had become less involved in the early 90's and left the minority owners to oversee things to poor results. Pickett had been looking to sell his stake.
December 1995: Don Maloney fired as GM, Milbury would eventually be named as the replacement.
October 1996: John Spano is in line to purchase the team, seemingly 'finalized' by February 1997.
July 1997: Spano misses a bunch of payments and his scheme falls apart.
September 1997: Pickett sells the team to Steve Gluckstern, Howard Milstein, and Ed Milstein. By early 1999 they are already fielding offers to sell the team.
April 2000: Charles Wang and Sanjay Kumar agree in principle to buy the team.
ISLANDERS SALE OFFICIAL: NEW ARENA WILL BE NEXT
The Islanders’ sale-saga is over. Computer Associates chairman Charles Wang and Computer Associates president Sonjay Kumar finalized a deal yesterday to purchase the Islanders for $180 millio…
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Probably not many GMs who would have been successful under those parameters.
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BobClarkesfrontteeth
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None of these guys are even close to the Ballard years and when he brought in Punch Imlack. That buried a franchise for a solid 15 years. Look at the number of top 8 draft picks wasted from 78 to 90.
Worst Ownership in any sport and that takes into account Daniel Snyder's reign of terror in Washington.
Worst GM in Hockey of all time has to be Mike Milbury as many others have said. Just ruined the Islanders for 10 years and another 10 after he left.
It's been a while but Réjean Houle for the Habs might be the worst GM of all time. He gave away Turgeon, Damphousse, Recchi and Patrick Roy for peanuts. The organization hasn't been the same since.
Here's an example of one of many awul trades he made:
To Montreal:
Murray Baron
Shayne Corson
1997 5th round pick (#122-Gennady Razin)
To St-Louis:
Craig Conroy
Rory Fitzpatrick
Pierre Turgeon
Here's the GOAT worst trade:
To Montreal:
Andrei Kovalenko
Martin Rucinsky
Jocelyn Thibault
To Colorado:
Mike Keane
Patrick Roy
Yikes....
Here's an example of one of many awul trades he made:
To Montreal:
Murray Baron
Shayne Corson
1997 5th round pick (#122-Gennady Razin)
To St-Louis:
Craig Conroy
Rory Fitzpatrick
Pierre Turgeon
Here's the GOAT worst trade:
To Montreal:
Andrei Kovalenko
Martin Rucinsky
Jocelyn Thibault
To Colorado:
Mike Keane
Patrick Roy
Yikes....
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