Which GM hire was most damaging for their team?

[the]

Current? I’d say Suzuki, Caulfield or Jackeye. All acquired by MB aka worst GM ever.

So basically you got no clue what you are talking about and can't even remember what you wrote.

 

[japhi27returns]

So basically you got no clue what you are talking about and can't even remember what you wrote.

This thread is about worst gm’s. You volunteered MB. I suggested how silly that is, referenced his record, and suggested that the PK trade may be guiding that thought process.

You didn’t address MB’s record and then asked who your favourite player is. We know, or have to assume, its not Subban. If it is, than I’d suggest again that trade is creating bias.

I then named three very popular current players that were acquired by MB.

I get you don’t like where this is going but rest assured I am tracking this convo well.

Happy to discuss your fave player, or why you would name a guy that had quite a bit of success as “worst GM ever”. Or you can just take the L.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Brad trievling flames. We all know why. Panthers fans should have brad statue in front of their arena.

Why? When that trade went down, I was told that Florida lost that trade.

 

[The don godfather]

Why? When that trade went down, I was told that Florida lost that trade.

I'm sure cats fans would love to reverse that trade.

 

[the]

This thread is about worst gm’s. You volunteered MB. I suggested how silly that is, referenced his record, and suggested that the PK trade may be guiding that thought process.

You didn’t address MB’s record and then asked who your favourite player is. We know, or have to assume, its not Subban. If it is, than I’d suggest again that trade is creating bias.

I then named three very popular current players that were acquired by MB.

I get you don’t like where this is going but rest assured I am tracking this convo well.

Happy to discuss your fave player, or why you would name a guy that had quite a bit of success as “worst GM ever”. Or you can just take the L.

You tried to make a weak attempt by assuming PK was my favorite player and thought he was the reason for my dislike of Bergevin.

Nothing could be further from the truth and then you start naming some current players when that wasn't the question.

Do I think Bergevin is the worst GM in NHL history. Of course not but I think he deserves some honorable mentions. That's why I carefully wrote for Montreal.

I'm sorry but Bergevin has a very poor track record. Naming his playoff record is just silly. Whatever early success he had was in large part because of the previous Gainey regime. Except for a rental in Vanek and Petry he added nothing to this team. Anybody could have had some success with the team he was handed.

The more he changed the core of the team the worst we performed. He had a Vezina trophy winner, a Norris winner and contender to the Rocket trophy and wasted them all. His tenure broke some of the worst losing records in 100+ years team history.

Good for him on the Covid run but even that took a once in a lifetime special circumstances and Carey Price. He couldn't even live off the success of that run because he was back to doing dumb moves that same offseason.

 

[BelovedIsles]

It says something that so many of his peers trash talk his trades, and don't even try to hide how badly they fleeced him.

Wow, completely manipulated him. Pure stupidity.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Barry Trotz is throwing his hat into the ring... early days, but if we circle back in a decade maybe he'll be a top contender...

Yes. Like a closer in a horse race he was far behind but is now neck and neck (no pun intended) for the trophy.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Brad trievling flames. We all know why. Panthers fans should have brad statue in front of their arena.

This is ridiculous. Treliving did a good job with that trade getting something for a pos that he was forced to trade because he wasn't going to stay.

 

[UED]

imo chayka and dubas are the two worst GMs ever. i dont think anyone comes close to dubas, chayka intentionally sabotaged the coyotes and got banned. as a result, not sure if he counts as a gm. trotz looking pathetic too. giving away his best player and then signing two 40 goal scorers the same offseason is the most contradicting offseason I've ever seen. something about modern GMs just completely disregarding defense..like 15 of these GMs are the 15 worst GMs ever lol

 

[Bank Shot]

Getting Ekholm was pretty good. It's not very fair to bring up Klingberg like this. He's depth and he's being paid like it.

As for goalie, keep in mind their goalie coach is a nepotism hire and the GM cannot get rid of him.

Holland took over a non playoff team and turned them into perrenial contenders.

Not sure how he gets called most damaging GM here.

That is some real smooth brain thinking.

 

[Jroach]

Jim ****ing Benning

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Casual fans will say Kyle Dubas for the Pens, but it's Ron Hextall. Outside of acquiring Rickard Rakell, he wasted a bunch assets on mediocre players. You can argue the Pens' last actual shot at doing something was in the middle of Rutherford leaving and Hextall taking over.

Nah. The GM'S weren't the issue.

Both ownerships not letting them fire Sullivan, that was the issue.

 

[BlueSeal]

Absolutely Chia before damn near anyone else omg.

 

[Mogo]

Mike Milbury /thread

Mike Keenan set the Panthers back when he traded Luongo for Bertuzzi + spare parts and all his draft picks were bad. The best player he drafted was Michael Frolik and he only played 3 seasons with Florida.

He was bad but Panthers owners turned down Luongo for Joe Thornton because of money

 

[BFLO]

Brad trievling flames. We all know why. Panthers fans should have brad statue in front of their arena.

I'll remind the thread again that Kevyn Adams is worse.

There were 5 former Sabres playing on that Panthers squad that won the cup. Adams traded away 3 of them, 2 from Botterill.

There has never been a worse stretch of GMs in NHL history. No Team has ever had a longer playoff drought or been as pathetic as the Sabres for the last 14 years.

 

[NYRfan85]

Mike Milbury. Could you imagine the teams the Islanders could have fielded had he not traded them all away?
(As a Rangers fan, I enjoyed seeing him work his 'magic' lol)

 

[Dolemite]

The Oilers hat trick of Chiarelli, Holland, and now Stan Bowman has done immeasurable damage. They would have at least one Cup by now if the team was properly run, but here we are in Year 10 of Connor McDavid wondering if John Klingberg’s bionic hips and a goalie with a .902 save percentage are the solutions on defence and in goal. Just complete idiocy from a group of has beens every season.

lol hardly. It was the regimes before them that did the damage.

 

[Dolemite]

Given that Milbury’s time with the islanders is the forever answer to this question. Mike Kennan’s time in Vancouver is up there.

And Wayne Gretzky’s hires in Phoenix are up there. He started hiring friends instead of the best in the business.

 

[VeteranPresence]

lol hardly. It was the regimes before them that did the damage.

...are you... sticking up for Peter Chiarelli lmao?

 

[Barsky]

Re-upping on chia’s awful tenure for the oilers,

1 Trading a 2015 1st and 2nd for griffin Reinhardt,

2 signing lucic to that awful boat anchor contract

3 trading for Brandon manning, the one guy who mcdavid actually very much hated at the time cause he intentionally
broke his clavicle.

4 Boyd Gordon for Lauri korpikoski into buying him out.

Just a bad bad gm who if he didn’t have Draisaitl and Mcdavid would have build the equivalent to a wet fart.

You didn't even mention the worst trade he's ever mad! A future Hart trophy winner for a defensive Dman who he'd lose for nothing a few years later. It was mind boggling the second he made it and it only got dramatically worse

 

[shadow1]

This is a low-key one, but Patrick Roy.

When he was hired to be Colorado's HC, he also had GM duties over Greg Sherman and split the duties with Sakic after that. The moves he made were disastrous. He kept bringing in all these old farts trying to win immediately. Signed Beauchemin (35yo) and Iginla (37yo) to 3-year deals each. Traded 2nd+6th for Brad Stuart (35yo) and extended his existing contract by a year. Reacquired Alex Tanguay (34yo). Acquired Danny Briere (37yo) for some reason. Traded a 2nd round pick for Reto Berra for some reason (this was Colorado's only deadline move during their 52 win season; they already had Varlamov (Vezina Runner-Up) and Giguere).

Whenever he resigned, Sakic suddenly started bringing in all these young guys and the team eventually won the cup. No way that happens if Roy sticks around in a management role (or coaching role, for that matter).

All that said, Roy pounded the table for MacKinnon during the 2013 Draft, so that one thing pretty much absolves him of his other transgressions.

 

[dalewood12]

Réjean Houle

 

[Figgy44]

Except for Fletcher and Conroy (too soon), each of the 7 Flames GMs have done their best to monumentally destroy the team in their final stages with the organization.

Special mention goes to Button, Feaster, and Treliving. Utter buffoons. At least Sutter and Burke had somewhat of a vision

As much as there is valid reason to dislike Treliving, he objectively left the team overall in a better position (even if marginal) than when he showed up. IMO he does not qualify.

His scouting mandate and prospect development improvements/AHL realignment stuff, mental health/substance abuse support stuff alone disqualify him.

As much as you can hate the state he left the team/one ice product, it was a difficult situation for Conroy, but not a handcuffing one like many other GMs inherited. Then compare the team/prospect pool when he showed up. You can hate the Huberdeau and Kadri deals at the end and some of the trades (ie: Monahan), but these moves don't actually get in the way of Conroy attempting to do what he wants to do with the direction of the team. Within 1 year, Conroy was able to wipe the slate clean and start doing what he wanted to do with this team. Other GMs have to wait like 2-3 years to clear out bad contracts and situations to even begin putting their stamp on the team.

That's not even getting into the bizarre off ice stuff that he had to deal with. No other GM got remotely close to having to deal with the level of bullshit side quests as he did:

- Wideman fiasco
- Severe coaching issues: Peters + Sutter + Hartley
- Snowy diagnosis
- Dube/Roni
- Ownership involvement and approvals (known to cause trades to break down etc.)
- Pandemic (everyone dealt with this, but it's still an extra thing he inexplicably had)

Treliving had his problems as Flames GM, but he wasn't the most damaging GM for the Flames (let alone any org) by far IMO.

 

[Dolemite]

...are you... sticking up for Peter Chiarelli lmao?

How soon people forget the old boys club and the damage they did to prospects.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Don Sweeney

Talk about telling everyone you don't follow the league without actually saying it.