Which GM hire was most damaging for their team?

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So you're argument is that MacTavish was so profoundly inept that it gave the Oilers a better chance in a lottery, he's actually good?

What if the lottery went chalk and the Oilers ended up with Strome instead?

My primary argument is that he drafted Draisaitl and my secondary argument is that you have reading problems.

What the f*** is your problem man?

Also, Kevin Lowe traded for Pronger and made crucial trade deadline deals that improved the team enough that they made it to Game 7 of the Finals.

Chiarelli made the playoffs once and was out in round two.
 
My primary argument is that he drafted Draisaitl and my secondary argument is that you have reading problems.



Also, Kevin Lowe traded for Pronger and made crucial trade deadline deals that improved the team enough that they made it to Game 7 of the Finals.

Chiarelli made the playoffs once and was out in round two.
On a complete surprise run that no-one, literally no-one, saw coming even as late as the end of the regular season that year. Implying that Kevin Lowe somehow built some kind of powerhouse team is, frankly, rather hilariously sad.
 
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Rob Blake may not be at the top of most list is, but I’d honestly love to see a worse trade (and development tree) from any other GM

In:
Kevin Fiala
Darcy Kuemper
2M Salary Retention on Ivan Provorov
Vladdy Gavrikov (for now)

Out:
Brock Faber
Matt Roy
Sean Walker
Sean Durzi
Helge Grans (35OA pick)
Gabriel Villardi (13OA pick)
Rasmus Kupari (1st round pick)
Alex Iafallo
Arthur Kaliyev (33OA pick)
Tobias Bjornfot (1st round pick)
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick.


It is a level of bad that almost has to be deliberate.
 
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Except for Fletcher and Conroy (too soon), each of the 7 Flames GMs have done their best to monumentally destroy the team in their final stages with the organization.

Special mention goes to Button, Feaster, and Treliving. Utter buffoons. At least Sutter and Burke had somewhat of a vision
 
Feeling the need to put this all in perspective… here’s Mike Milbury’s track record:

- Hired to be the Islanders coach, then three months later elevated to GM. Milbury had no executive experience outside of coaching.

- It subsequently took Milbury nearly two years to give up the bench role so he could focus on running the front office. When he finally committed to replacing himself as coach, he did so in January and hired Rick Bowness — career record 83-227-33. Bowness barely lasted a calendar year before he was fired midway through the following season so Milbury could replace him with… Milbury again.

- The following season, Milbury inexplicably stayed on as coach again, despite having already said publicly that he couldn’t be effective in the GM and coaching roles at the same time. Of course it didn’t last, and for the second time, he ended up making a January coaching hire — Bill Stewart, who never coached in the NHL before or after this stint. By the summer, Milbury had fallen out publicly with Stewart and fired him.

- I could keep going about coaching choices, but I need to move on to his draft and trading record, so here are the numbers: in 10 seasons, Milbury hired and fired 7 coaches not counting his own appearances of 3 partial-seasons behind the bench. In those 10 seasons, he made 5 mid-season coaching changes. Of the 8 coaches (including himself) who Milbury hired during this era, only 2 ever coached in the NHL again post-NYI.

- Milbury’s draft record is perhaps not as bad as you might expect, but it’s soured by three glaring stains:
  • drafting Rick DiPietro first overall in 2000 and giving him a massive unearned contract that is still paying him through ****ing 2029 (bearing in mind the #2 and #3 picks were Dany Heatley and Marian Gaborik).
  • choosing Robert Nilsson at #15 in arguably the greatest draft of all time (2003) ahead of other first-rounders Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, Boyle, and Perry.
  • their best drafted player from 1998-06 was your pick of Tim Connolly, Cory Stillman, or Frans Nielsen.

- Milbury’s trade record is absolutely legendary. I will just present the facts without commentary, as it speaks for itself:
  • Wade Redden (who would play over 800 games for Ottawa) for Bryan Berard (less than 250 games for NYI, then flipped for 33 terrible games from Felix Potvin)
  • 3rd overall JP Dumont (822 NHL games) for Dmitri Nabokov (55 NHL games)
  • Peak Chris Osgood for 69 games of Justin Papineau and 57 games of Jeremy Colliton
  • Todd Bertuzzi AND Bryan McCabe (each of whom had around 1000 games ahead of them) for an unremarkable 1.5 seasons from Trevor Linden
  • 23-year-old Zdeno Chara and the 1st rounder that became 2OA Jason Spezza for a 28-year-old Alexei Yashin who would never come close to PPG again
  • A massive trade where the core was moving underrated star Ziggy Palffy (who went on to score 150 goals in 4 seasons for LA) for young Olli Jokinen. Which would have been fine, except…
  • … after only one season, he flipped Jokinen AND his own 4OA draft pick Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasga.
That’s two HOF’ers and a handful of HOVG’ers for damned near nothing in return. He effectively gave the Senators and Panthers franchises a new lease on life.

And to cap all of that off, gave Yashin and DiPietro two of the biggest contracts in league history. Even 20 years later, Yashin’s 10x$8.75M deal still looked like something you’d give a legit franchise player at the beginning of his career, not a late-career malcontent. Both of those deals needed to be bought out at an enormous cost to the cash-strapped franchise.

The overall impact of all of this — the Islanders only made the playoffs 3 times in Milbury’s 10 years at the helm, losing 4-1 in the first round all three times. The next time they won a playoff series was a decade after his departure, which brings to mind the question of how good they could have been with Luongo, Chara, Bertuzzi, Palffy, Spezza, McCabe, Dumont, Redden, and almost anyone other than Nilsson from that 2003 draft.

So yeah… with all due disrespect to the others being named here, the landslide winner is Mike Milbury. There are so many ways he could have built a powerhouse contender on draft capital alone, and instead he damn near killed the franchise completely.

Minor correction - Milbury did not sign the DiPetro contract. Garth Snow was GM at the time.

& ultimately, I believe that was Charles Wangs idea.
 
Honestly, giving a 15 year contract to the 1st overall pick a few years into his career was (no longer possible cause of CBA) actually a very shrewd move. He just chose the wrong position / player to do it with.

The Caps 13 year deal with Ovy worked out amazing for them. Not only did he play every season (and almost every game) and was an elite player for the entirety of it, they definitely saved big on cap hits. At the time it was a huge cap number but as the cap rose, it was a lifesaver for them.
 
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Bob Gainey

Absolute clown, let's 8 veteran players walk for nothing in offseason then trades blue chip d-man for the literal worst contract in the whole league and dips from the team. Should take his jersey out of the rafters. 🤮
 
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The fact that people are saying Dubas instead of Harold Ballard shows that the Leafs fans on here are (fortunately) too young to be around for that ass****.

NSFW video that talks about the Ballard era



I know he wasn’t GM most of his time owning the team, but he did more damage as one than any other GM who oversaw Toronto.
 
Fletcher did way more damage to the Flyers than Hexy ever did.
and it's not even close. Hextall was stubborn, but Fletcher came in and set this franchise back and they still havent recovered, partly because Fletcher's replacement (Briere) has made a lot of terrible decisions, highlighted by hiring Tortorella
 
Wade Redden (who would play over 800 games for Ottawa) for Bryan Berard (less than 250 games for NYI, then flipped for 33 terrible games from Felix Potvin)

this one isn’t fair. berard was the consensus #1 pick and redden was #2. it was less than a year out from the draft and nothing had changed about their ranking relative to one another. in the short term berard won the calder, and if he hadn’t suffered a career-altering eye injury at 22, who knows how we’d now feel about him vs redden?

Ed Johnston literally killed the Hartford Whalers with his monumental idiocy.

Nobody else is even close.

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does this look like a guy who was bad at his job, or a guy who was stupid like a fox sent from pittsburgh to hartford to deliver them two cups?
 
this one isn’t fair. berard was the consensus #1 pick and redden was #2. it was less than a year out from the draft and nothing had changed about their ranking relative to one another. in the short term berard won the calder, and if he hadn’t suffered a career-altering eye injury at 22, who knows how we’d now feel about him vs redden?



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does this look like a guy who was bad at his job, or a guy who was stupid like a fox sent from pittsburgh to hartford to deliver them two cups?
Yup. On a national broadcast a few years back Ray Ferraro said EJ came into the locker room shortly after getting the job and told them he was building a cup winner, "unfortunately he left out it was Pittsburgh!"
 
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On a complete surprise run that no-one, literally no-one, saw coming even as late as the end of the regular season that year. Implying that Kevin Lowe somehow built some kind of powerhouse team is, frankly, rather hilariously sad.

it’s sad that you think acquiring Roli did nothing to get us there. Hilariously sad. But one look at your profile pic and I’d probably question myself if you agreed with me.
 
Is there any way this isn’t Mike Milbury? He destroyed the Islanders with some of the worst trades imaginable. He traded away young players who would be/have been stars (Luongo, Bertuzzi, Chara, Berard, Palffy, Dumont) for peanuts. He handed out 2 of the worst contracts of any era (DiPietro, Yashin). I could list all his blunders but this arcticle does it nicely.

 
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Chiarelli is the worst in history, simply because it wasted like 5 or 6 years of McDavid. And it started like 30 minutes after he drafted McDavid when he traded a 1st for Griffin Reinhart.

Hall for Larsson, followed by the Lucic signing.

Turned Jordan Eberle into Ryan Strome, and then traded Strome for Ryan Spooner.

Justin Schultz for a 3rd round pick.

Traded for the guy who broke McDavid's collarbone in his rookie year, who also happened to be really bad at hockey on top of that.

Then on his way out he signed Koskinen to an anchor contract that kept them from being able to outbid teams on actual goalies like Markstrom.
 
and it's not even close. Hextall was stubborn, but Fletcher came in and set this franchise back and they still havent recovered, partly because Fletcher's replacement (Briere) has made a lot of terrible decisions, highlighted by hiring Tortorella
What did Fletcher do that set the franchise back worse than drafting Nolan Patrick and Ivan Provorov over Cale Makar and Mikko Rantanen?

Those decisions alone set this organization back a decade.
 
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The Oilers hat trick of Chiarelli, Holland, and now Stan Bowman has done immeasurable damage. They would have at least one Cup by now if the team was properly run, but here we are in Year 10 of Connor McDavid wondering if John Klingberg’s bionic hips and a goalie with a .902 save percentage are the solutions on defence and in goal. Just complete idiocy from a group of has beens every season.
They built the core wrong, defense and goaltending got bypassed in hopes of another offensive dynasty, but hockey ain’t like that anymore.
 
Chiarelli for Edmonton was a disaster. I don’t know if hes the worst but considering he got a generational talent and sewered the roster, it was pretty bad.
 
Chiarelli is the worst in history, simply because it wasted like 5 or 6 years of McDavid. And it started like 30 minutes after he drafted McDavid when he traded a 1st for Griffin Reinhart.

Hall for Larsson, followed by the Lucic signing.

Turned Jordan Eberle into Ryan Strome, and then traded Strome for Ryan Spooner.

Justin Schultz for a 3rd round pick.

Traded for the guy who broke McDavid's collarbone in his rookie year, who also happened to be really bad at hockey on top of that.

Then on his way out he signed Koskinen to an anchor contract that kept them from being able to outbid teams on actual goalies like Markstrom.
Chiarelli may have been the GM but most of those moves are due to a hockey operations department stuffed with the Old Oiler Old Boy Network.

What other team on any major sport have you heard of a GM been fired yet kept as the assistant GM and VP under his successor, and all his underlings ran the draft and pro scouting.

I’ll never forget the day of the Reinhart trade with Bob Green gushing about him, and ignoring his AHL season because the geniuses in the room thought owning the Oil Kings gave them info nobody else had.

Ownership had as much to do with the failures by running that old boy club nonsense into the ground for a good decade.
 
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Good call on the timing, but Milbury wasn’t fired — he was promoted to VP directly under Wang.

Given the reason for Smith’s firing (failure to follow orders from above) and Milbury still lurking in the C-suite, it’s hard to imagine that the DiPietro contract wasn’t ultimately his brainchild. Or I should say, it’s hard to imagine Wang coming up with the idea for that contract on his own without Milbury in his ear.
The one thing I will say in order to be fair to Milbury is that I do give him a SLIGHT pass on the Yashin trade. Both Spezza and Chara were unproven at the time. Yashin was a legit star, and was still quite productive with NY.
 
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