Prospect Info: Where would Jiricek rank in the HF Wild prospect rankings?

[fgobuzz]

I think Khus is being underrated here too. He hasn’t been flashy because he’s been deployed in a role that requires him to be fully defensively responsible. I think we are gonna be surprised in 2-3 years when he becomes a solid 3c with some upside when needed.

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

 

[f7ben]

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

Not sure I agree on that , I’m seeing Khus develop just fine in the role he’s in. There isn’t going to be a whole lot of offense when he’s playing with AHL plugs or Tronion

 

[north21]

Also LOL at people putting Stramel at 17.

Remember the original poll was done before this season and there was a lot of concern about his ability to be a quality college hockey player.

 

[MNRube]

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

I agree. His defensive game is strong but he still appears too tentative offensively. He isn’t going to be a great scorer, but some time in Iowa would be good longterm.

Remember the original poll was done before this season and there was a lot of concern about his ability to be a quality college hockey player.

Yeah, I remember. But 17th is an egregious overreaction. He never got a chance last year and has always profiled as a guy who may take awhile. Classic late-bloomer with raw tools

 

[Circulartheory]

I agree. His defensive game is strong but he still appears too tentative offensively. He isn’t going to be a great scorer, but some time in Iowa would be good longterm.


Yeah, I remember. But 17th is an egregious overreaction. He never got a chance last year and has always profiled as a guy who may take awhile. Classic late-bloomer with raw tools

I'm not too sure its an overreaction, rather its more a testament of the depth of the prospect pool.

I originally voted Lorenz over Stramel - they were only drafted 1 round apart and Lorenz had a great year with Denver. Raw tools are raw until Stramel starts to put it together. He is starting to look like it but at the time of the voting, he had a worse year than his draft year, suggesting still a raw toolset.

If we were to vote again, I have him only as high as #13.

 

[57special]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Voted one, shiny new two. Highest draft pick since Gaborik? Yes we didn't pick him but have the Wild ever had a higher picked player since Gabrik?

To lazy to do the simple google search

Fleury was a #1 overall pick. Staal was a #2.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

If Stramel finishes with 23-25 points in 30 games or so I don't see why you'd have to be low on him if he's also playing a strong physical game as a Center and developing on the face off circle. Coyle had 40 points in 53 games in college and we were all really high on him.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Fleury was a #1 overall pick. Staal was a #2.

And Galchenyuk was #3

 

[57special]

Bogosian a #3 pick

Kaprizov - 135th
Faber - 45th
Boldy - 12th
JEE - 20th
Spurgeon - 156th
Brodin - 10th
Rossi - 9th
Zuccarello - undrafted
Middleton - 210th, AKA Mr. Irrelevant


Draft position matters, but it isn't everything. Over half of our best players weren't drafted in the 1st round, most way after it. I mean, Luke Kunin was drafted 16th oa, from the same team as Stramel.

 

[MNRube]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

 

[57special]

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

I literally listed our best players, and where they were drafted. That's not being "arrogant", but factual. You can "feel" that Stramel is our 6th or 7th best prospect, but I don't see anything in his resume that is impressive.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

And still get prospects wrong all of the time.

 

[MNRube]

I literally listed our best players, and where they were drafted. That's not being "arrogant", but factual. You can "feel" that Stramel is our 6th or 7th best prospect, but I don't see anything in his resume that is impressive.

He’s the 1C on the top team on the country. He is a good skater with size and defensive chops. If you can’t see why his NHL chances are greater than guys like Healey, not sure what to tell you. 17th was a bad spot for him.

And still get prospects wrong all of the time.

Yeah, duh. But the point is that they get it wrong less than HF posters

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He’s the 1C on the top team on the country. He is a good skater with size and defensive chops. If you can’t see why his NHL chances are greater than guys like Healey, not sure what to tell you. 17th was a bad spot for him.


Yeah, duh. But the point is that they get it wrong less than HF posters

He had 2 bad college seasons under 2 different coaches, and not a whole lot of equity to lean on prior to that. Jaxon Nelson was a good skater with size and defensive chops too. It's not an auto-bid into a top 10 listing.

 

[MNRube]

He had 2 bad college seasons under 2 different coaches, and not a whole lot of equity to lean on prior to that. Jaxon Nelson was a good skater with size and defensive chops too. It's not an auto-bid into a top 10 listing.

He was 17 when his first collegiate season started and he held his own - disingenuous to not mention that. The year before that he was PPG in the USHL. He also performed well in the U18s in his two appearances. And generally played well at Ann Arbor. Pretty solid resume leading up to his draft season.

Nelson was 0.33 PPG in the USHL before the Gophers. He’s now 0.1 PPG in the AHL. Not even remotely comparable talents. Nor are they comparable skaters or athletes.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

He had 2 bad college seasons under 2 different coaches, and not a whole lot of equity to lean on prior to that. Jaxon Nelson was a good skater with size and defensive chops too. It's not an auto-bid into a top 10 listing.

I didn't realize Stramel wasn't a 2nd year player... that makes me think differently of him forsure.

 

[MNRube]

I didn't realize Stramel wasn't a 2nd year player... that makes me think differently of him forsure.

He should’ve been in HS his first year in Madison but opted to challenge himself.

 

[saywut]

I would've had a problem with the package given up for Jiricek if I felt he was close to Ohgren. Closer to Wallstedt and Yurov the other way IMO, with Buium as the clear #1 since being drafted.

I had Stramel 12th in the off-season(full list isn't far down my history), Hunt is gone and Khus graduated, would put him above Bankier and Peart at this point, I'd say Haight has done more to change my perception than Stramel this year, unsure how I'd rank those 2 alongside Lorenz/Kumpulainen/Lambos, borderline top-10 guys behind Heidt and Ritchie for upside reasons.

 

[AKL]

I think Stramel was appropriately ranked for what he had shown at the time. Even now, it's nice that it's finally clicking for him, but it's still 0.75 ppg in his third college season. That's nothing special at all.

 

[BagHead]

Bogosian a #3 pick

Kaprizov - 135th
Faber - 45th
Boldy - 12th
JEE - 20th
Spurgeon - 156th
Brodin - 10th
Rossi - 9th
Zuccarello - undrafted
Middleton - 210th, AKA Mr. Irrelevant


Draft position matters, but it isn't everything. Over half of our best players weren't drafted in the 1st round, most way after it. I mean, Luke Kunin was drafted 16th oa, from the same team as Stramel.

Yep, and just to reinforce the point, Diagle and Nolan were both #1 overall picks, and both guys played for the Wild at the same time as Gaborik. Now, Nolan was at the end of his career so some could say it isn't fair to count him... but so was Diagle, which proves the point.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

He should’ve been in HS his first year in Madison but opted to challenge himself.

That does change some things for me as well lol. I like players challenging themselves and generally think that playing up against better production outside of stats means better than punching against lower competition.

I think Stramel was appropriately ranked for what he had shown at the time. Even now, it's nice that it's finally clicking for him, but it's still 0.75 ppg in his third college season. That's nothing special at all.

It seems more fair to say his age 20 season. I have a birthday near his age and turned 20 during my Sophomore year. Although, in ones 3rd year against the same level of competition you would expect a jump in play.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He was 17 when his first collegiate season started and he held his own - disingenuous to not mention that. The year before that he was PPG in the USHL. He also performed well in the U18s in his two appearances. And generally played well at Ann Arbor. Pretty solid resume leading up to his draft season.

Nelson was 0.33 PPG in the USHL before the Gophers. He’s now 0.1 PPG in the AHL. Not even remotely comparable talents. Nor are they comparable skaters or athletes.

Not quite, but I guess we can round up.

It's a resume that all of sudden doesn't look so good if he's 6'0" and not 6'3".

 

[MNRube]

Not quite, but I guess we can round up.

It's a resume that all of sudden doesn't look so good if he's 6'0" and not 6'3".

Why in the world would we care what his resume looks like if he was 6’0”? Ridiculous.

He scored 15 points in 16 USHL games at 16. Meaningful minutes as a 17 year old in college hockey. Showed well in the WJC, and the U18s as well.

Sounds like you just are not familiar enough with the player. Having him as our 13th-17th best prospect is just crazy.