Prospect Info: Where would Jiricek rank in the HF Wild prospect rankings?

[fgobuzz]

I think Khus is being underrated here too. He hasn’t been flashy because he’s been deployed in a role that requires him to be fully defensively responsible. I think we are gonna be surprised in 2-3 years when he becomes a solid 3c with some upside when needed.

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

 

[f7ben]

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

Not sure I agree on that , I’m seeing Khus develop just fine in the role he’s in. There isn’t going to be a whole lot of offense when he’s playing with AHL plugs or Tronion

 

[north21]

Also LOL at people putting Stramel at 17.

Remember the original poll was done before this season and there was a lot of concern about his ability to be a quality college hockey player.

 

[MNRube]

I wish Khus could get some time in Iowa, like Ogie, to develop his offensive side. Um-gren is really making the most of his tour down there and I think Khus would too

I agree. His defensive game is strong but he still appears too tentative offensively. He isn’t going to be a great scorer, but some time in Iowa would be good longterm.

Remember the original poll was done before this season and there was a lot of concern about his ability to be a quality college hockey player.

Yeah, I remember. But 17th is an egregious overreaction. He never got a chance last year and has always profiled as a guy who may take awhile. Classic late-bloomer with raw tools

 

[Circulartheory]

I agree. His defensive game is strong but he still appears too tentative offensively. He isn’t going to be a great scorer, but some time in Iowa would be good longterm.


Yeah, I remember. But 17th is an egregious overreaction. He never got a chance last year and has always profiled as a guy who may take awhile. Classic late-bloomer with raw tools

I'm not too sure its an overreaction, rather its more a testament of the depth of the prospect pool.

I originally voted Lorenz over Stramel - they were only drafted 1 round apart and Lorenz had a great year with Denver. Raw tools are raw until Stramel starts to put it together. He is starting to look like it but at the time of the voting, he had a worse year than his draft year, suggesting still a raw toolset.

If we were to vote again, I have him only as high as #13.

 

[57special]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Voted one, shiny new two. Highest draft pick since Gaborik? Yes we didn't pick him but have the Wild ever had a higher picked player since Gabrik?

To lazy to do the simple google search

Fleury was a #1 overall pick. Staal was a #2.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

If Stramel finishes with 23-25 points in 30 games or so I don't see why you'd have to be low on him if he's also playing a strong physical game as a Center and developing on the face off circle. Coyle had 40 points in 53 games in college and we were all really high on him.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Fleury was a #1 overall pick. Staal was a #2.

And Galchenyuk was #3

 

[57special]

Bogosian a #3 pick

Kaprizov - 135th
Faber - 45th
Boldy - 12th
JEE - 20th
Spurgeon - 156th
Brodin - 10th
Rossi - 9th
Zuccarello - undrafted
Middleton - 210th, AKA Mr. Irrelevant


Draft position matters, but it isn't everything. Over half of our best players weren't drafted in the 1st round, most way after it. I mean, Luke Kunin was drafted 16th oa, from the same team as Stramel.

 

[MNRube]

Yeah, prior to this year, on what basis could you rank Stramel highly? Because he was drafted in the 1st round? Because he was tall? Facts were that he had two mediocre to bad seasons in a row, and couldn't even get regular TOI on his college team. Historically that doesn't bode well for prospects.

I had compared him unfavorably to Trent Frederic, another WI C who is now a solid, if uninspiring bottom six guy in the NHL. Frederic was a P/pg guy in his D+1 and D+2 years in college- played with Kunin, I believe. So far, Stramel isn't in the same universe as Frederic points wise, and it's not like Frederic was/is a shrinking violet. He's 6'3", tough, and plays a decent defensive game. In college he was depended upon to be more of a scorer, of course.

As of now, a ceiling of Frederic is just about the best we can hope for from Stramel, unless something clicks with him. I might move Stramel up in the prospect rankings, but that's more about disappointing showings from other prospects above him like Peart.

Marat spent 3+ seasons in the KHL. He doesn't need time in Iowa, but contractually, we can't send him down there anyway, so the point is moot. It's either the NHL, or KHL.

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

 

[57special]

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

I literally listed our best players, and where they were drafted. That's not being "arrogant", but factual. You can "feel" that Stramel is our 6th or 7th best prospect, but I don't see anything in his resume that is impressive.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It’s arrogant to think draft position doesn’t matter. Teams have millions invested in scouting and their guys know more than your typical HF poster. He went ahead of Heidt & Lorenz for a reason.

It was clear last year he had no motor and no confidence, and most importantly, no opportunity. Further, he is a player type who always was going to take longer to develop.

He is probably our 6th or 7th best prospect for me.

And still get prospects wrong all of the time.

 

[MNRube]

I literally listed our best players, and where they were drafted. That's not being "arrogant", but factual. You can "feel" that Stramel is our 6th or 7th best prospect, but I don't see anything in his resume that is impressive.

He’s the 1C on the top team on the country. He is a good skater with size and defensive chops. If you can’t see why his NHL chances are greater than guys like Healey, not sure what to tell you. 17th was a bad spot for him.

And still get prospects wrong all of the time.

Yeah, duh. But the point is that they get it wrong less than HF posters

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He’s the 1C on the top team on the country. He is a good skater with size and defensive chops. If you can’t see why his NHL chances are greater than guys like Healey, not sure what to tell you. 17th was a bad spot for him.


Yeah, duh. But the point is that they get it wrong less than HF posters

He had 2 bad college seasons under 2 different coaches, and not a whole lot of equity to lean on prior to that. Jaxon Nelson was a good skater with size and defensive chops too. It's not an auto-bid into a top 10 listing.