Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[TheGoldenJet]

@jigglysquishy ranked Malkin 11th on his list of greatest post-expansion centres (see post #402). The Athletic ranked Malkin 10th among centres (link). If you're citing the Athletic's list as accurate

Please show me where I said that this list is “accurate”.

I maintain that the NHL99 list was correct in rating Malkin above Trottier, who was #31 on the HFBoards users list which is now seven years old. It did have some of its own issues (such as overrating the popular Teemu Selanne), but was correct on the point of rating Malkin above Trottier.

The issue with the outdated and highly inaccurate HFBoards users list is that it is heavily biased, due to primarily North Americans doing the voting. Some of them have great opinions and knowledge, others, not so much. But that situation is going to objectively create real bias. Especially against a Russian player in Malkin, who is already being underrated to meme-like levels.

Malkin as a Russian is going to be lower down on a list made by North American HFBoards users than he should be. That is how a North American echo chamber generally works.

The solution to this would be to create a more representative voting panel for the next HFBoards project (the one that plans to include McDavid). Limit it to a smaller percentage of North Americans, and then include more Russian, Slovak, Swedish, etc voters. This is how you eliminate bias from your lists.

Second, a player like Malkin, who was also being ranked in the HF users list in the middle of his career before scoring 1000 points, is also going to have a second layer of bias leveled against him in addition to the Russian factor: that of not yet having the nostalgia factor of retired players (many of whom were inferior players to him). We are seeing this phenomenon with Connor McDavid now, who is still being listed behind vastly inferior players on some people’s lists.

 

[GoldenKnight]

Malkin is mentioned as a comparable given his proximity to another GOAT but this fails to acknowledge that Crosby and Malkin spent the vast majority of their time on separate lines; a major factor in the Pens winning three Cups.

Sure, I think the fact that Crosby and malkin spent basically their entire peak years on separate lines at even strength deserves some credit.

Malkin, by age 25, was pacing for the Top 25/30 range but injuries keeps him in the Top 50ish range

I disagree with your assessment of having Malkin ranked that low.

 

[daver]

Here is where I disagree with you a little.

Malkin had his share of injuries, but he also had a better peak, prime, and career than Forsberg, so how can he be rated near him? He has improved his position since seven years ago, IMO.

Forsberg was rated 51st in the last HOH section ratings. Yzerman was 40th and Sakic was 32nd.

Where would you have Malkin?

Sure, I think the fact that Crosby and malkin spent basically their entire peak years on separate lines at even strength deserves some credit.

It's not about giving credit to Crosby and Malkin, it's more about recognizing that Draisaitl playing so much time with McDavid is the exception, not the norm, when you have two franchise C's on a team.

Sakic and Forsberg don't get extra marks for playing separate, nor do Yzerman/Federov or Beliveau/H. Richard.

Maybe it's just a matter of time before Draisaitl proves he can carry a line consistently to the benefit of the Oilers in the playoffs but until then, it's a reasonable critique if he going up against the likes of Malkin, Forsberg, Sakic; players with similar offensive primes.