Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[TheLegend27]

Ok so McDavid plays with the best European playoff performer ever for 9 seasons so far and they have no championships? And have won a game past the second round only one year.

It just doesn't add up. Do players not have any impact on winning? Or maybe it's that their stats look better than their actual impact.

Almost as if good defense and goaltending are key to winning a championship. McDrai historic numbers are just negated by D corp lapses and sub .900 performances in net. Skinner is the great equalizer.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Well, kind of. The higher you go to the bigger the gap between players. So 33 is closer to 41 than it is 25.

Sakic was 32, McDavid pushed him to 33. Kucherov will push him to 34.

25 is centres like Messier and Esposito, which will be almost impossible for Draisaitl to overtake.

I dont think theres a gm now or who as ever lived who would take kucherov over Sakic.

 

[wetcoast]

no Makar factor?

Everyone has a factor and everyone doesn't depends on which player is being discussed and while it would be nice if people had consistent standards of evaluating players often this isn't the case.

All of these guys are elite players and aren't being "carried".

Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McDavid, Draisaitl and Kucherov at least.

Sure it's early but Makar and Quinn Hughes are tracking that way and EK65 would be in some lists as would Hedman.

 

[wetcoast]

Would he rank higher than Kucherov and MacKinnon? They all seem to be in the same ballpark as Top 40/50ish; star players during their era but not doing things that move them into the 2nd tier of all-time greats.

He might as all 3 are still playing and still in their primes and we don't know what they might do going forward.

I think you have to qualify his offensive prime as "statistically" also.

This is an odd statement as offensive prime is about statistics right?

It's like saying that I'm qualifying your post as an opinion.

 

[wetcoast]

Ok so McDavid plays with the best European playoff performer ever for 9 seasons so far and they have no championships? And have won a game past the second round only one year.

It just doesn't add up. Do players not have any impact on winning? Or maybe it's that their stats look better than their actual impact.

I guess we all missed the part that the Oilers have been hands down favorites for the SC the last 6 seasons right?

People are trying to have it both ways calling out Nurse, Skinner and Bouchard as crap but then blaming their top 2 players for not winning a SC which is a team sport.

Frankly you should know better as most of your posts are very logical and well thought out....this one not respectfully not so much.

 

[daver]

Almost as if good defense and goaltending are key to winning a championship. McDrai historic numbers are just negated by D corp lapses and sub .900 performances in net. Skinner is the great equalizer.

Almost as if playing an all out offensive style leads to high scoring games and dying on that sword like they did in 2022. No issue with trying to max out the production of McDrai but don't be surprised if that leads to chances the other way.

Draisaitl has yet to prove he can carry his own line consistently in the playoffs so the Oilers can consistently ice an effective Top 6. He was a minus 8 on his own line in 2022, a minus 2 in 2023 and a 0 last year.

 

[buffalowing88]

Similar player to Jagr, Malkin and Drail.

I think Jagr is a clear cut above the other two guys in that group. His peak is pretty underrated these days and he did it in the DPE.

 

[daver]

I guess we all missed the part that the Oilers have been hands down favorites for the SC the last 6 seasons right?

People are trying to have it both ways calling out Nurse, Skinner and Bouchard as crap but then blaming their top 2 players for not winning a SC which is a team sport.

Frankly you should know better as most of your posts are very logical and well thought out....this one not respectfully not so much.

Let's agree that Draisaitl and McDavid have met their regular season expectations in the playoffs; McDavid has set himself apart from his peers while Draisaitl has placed himself with MacKinnon and Kucherov.

If Draisaitl was able to carry his own line more consistently, perhaps the Oilers would have had more success. I don't think that is an unreasonable critique.

 

[Kerberos]

It just doesn't add up. Do players not have any impact on winning? Or maybe it's that their stats look better than their actual impact.

You have a hall of fame when it comes to stupid posts but this willfully ignorant cognitive dissonance takes the cake.

 

[KlefDown]

If Draisaitl was able to carry his own line more consistently, perhaps the Oilers would have had more success. I don't think that is an unreasonable critique.

pretty unreasonable since its not true

Draisaitl is near the bottom of the list for "Reasons Oilers haven't had more success"

You have a hall of fame when it comes to stupid posts but this willfully ignorant cognitive dissonance takes the cake.

classic example of uneducated hockey fans trying to sound smart, bro thinks he's onto something