Where is Rantanen?

[ZeHockeyFan]

The trade didn't originally happen because of him. Just because he could affect the outcome of the second trade doesn't mean getting blindsighted by the first one didnt affect him in the way I described.

Also I dont think you know what a strawman is. Or false equivalence. So again: me saying factors a, b and c might affect the outcome y doesn't mean I accept the outcome y.

Trades are common in this sport but again it's a whole different thing being traded from your first NHL team that you were a part of for 10 years. You willingly turn a blind eye to this factors. They are there whether you like it or not as Rantanen is just human like others and he was blindsided by all this.

Fair point on calling out my error. I thought you were using "violence" as a dramatic device to knock down my point. My poor judgment.

That said, since you yourself said that you "don't accept the outcome," you are in a way implying that (while you understand the reasons for his moping) he needs to move on and play better for a team in which he wanted to be and getting the $$ he wanted. Would you agree on that? In a sport where this does happen frequently, if it's still "blindsiding" him now, then he needs to grow up. Yes, he IS human and all that- I get it. My question is: how long is he going to keep moping about it? At some point you have to be professional and move on, no?

 

[Freudian]

With normal luck he would have a couple of goals in the series and we wouldn't have a thread.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

That said, since you yourself said that you "don't accept the outcome," you are in a way implying that (while you understand the reasons for his moping) he needs to move on and play better for a team in which he wanted to be and getting the $$ he wanted. Would you agree on that?

Yes I agree onm that.

My question is: how long is he going to keep moping about it? At some point you have to be professional and move on, no?

Oh I think I see the problem now. Because I can agree that the outcome isn't justifiable meaning he can affect it to a point. But I don't think he is "moping" in a sense. I don't think he is intentionally doing all that. I think this is affecting him subconsciously and that was my original point: things like that will affect you whether you want or not.

Rantanen himself has said that he feels comfortable and that he is focused on playing for Dallas. But I dont believe him. I think he is not relaxed at all on the ice and that his mind is still in away in Colorado with his old team. Plus I think all the media attention is weighing down on him because now there are new expectations which he has accustomed to yet.

So yeah he definitely can do better but I dont think its his fault per se that he isn't And I dont think no amount of money would force someone to just be relaxed in a new high stakes situation like that.

 

[lionsDen]

Love rants, was huge for us in 22. Having said that I wish him nothing but the best unless he’s playing CO. Then he is the enemy

 

[unicornpig]

think everyone owes tulsky an apology

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

think everyone owes tulsky an apology

I mean they tried their hardest to sign him, he just didn't want to play under Brind'amour for 8 years

 

[unicornpig]

I mean they tried their hardest to sign him, he just didn't want to play under Brind'amour for 8 years

and he course corrected and got a damn good haul for him

 

[Turbonium]

I'll take Necas + Drury over Rantanen on this Avs team, no problem at all.

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Yes I agree onm that.


Oh I think I see the problem now. Because I can agree that the outcome isn't justifiable meaning he can affect it to a point. But I don't think he is "moping" in a sense. I don't think he is intentionally doing all that. I think this is affecting him subconsciously and that was my original point: things like that will affect you whether you want or not.

Rantanen himself has said that he feels comfortable and that he is focused on playing for Dallas. But I dont believe him. I think he is not relaxed at all on the ice and that his mind is still in away in Colorado with his old team. Plus I think all the media attention is weighing down on him because now there are new expectations which he has accustomed to yet.

So yeah he definitely can do better but I dont think its his fault per se that he isn't And I dont think no amount of money would force someone to just be relaxed in a new high stakes situation like that.

That's where you and I are apart. It wasn't as if the Avs-Dallas 1st round match-up was realized over the last 2-3 games, or as you'd put it, Mikko wasn't blindsided by that outcome. It was constantly in the cards since they clinched the playoffs spot, and will be constantly in the cards as long as Avs and Dallas are in the same division. And I do want to factor in the $$ and term, and location, because these are things that have been squared away and should, at this point, help him relax because there are no off-season negotiations weighing on his mind anymore. All he has to do is play and as a pro-athlete he needs to get be a lot more professional and get over this mental hump.

When I say that it is his fault, I am not accusing him of being nefarious, (like, tanking on purpose) or deliberately making this hard for himself, but he is 29, and not a child. Truly, if he really wanted to be with his buddies till the end of his career, then he could easily have settled for lesser $$, no? Clearly the pro-athlete in him wanted to maximize his earning potential, and here we are. So, he better sort his shit out quickly and get comfortable with the fact that his former buddies now his adversaries and he has to use every weapon in his arsenal to beat them now and in the future.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Big OT defensive play to take the puck from Drouin then started the rush to end with the Seguin goal.

That's a big clutch play none of the Aves have shown so far.

Blown leads the third period twice. Had a PP in OT twice. Both times losses. Rantanen is a clutch player. Aves could use him.

 

[Another Empty Netter]

Not mid season but it’s very similar to the Huberdeau trade where the player was blindsided.

I’ve had the opinion that the Avs should trade Rantanen for a little bit now, huge point producers that aren’t their line drivers like Rants or Huberdeau are usually the kinds of players whose mega contracts turn out poorly.

I think the Oilers should do the same thing with Bouchard this summer. Takes a lot of guts to trade these guys but can work out so long as you correctly identify those players whose point totals are inflated due to their situation.

I kinda love front offices that figure this out. Rare.

 

[banks]

He got traded, unexpectedly by all accounts, to a team he didn't want to be a part of. Now he's with a 3rd team, trying to find his foooting and he has to play against his original team that he never wanted to leave in the first place.

I'm not shocked that he's struggling. Doesn't mean he suddenly sucks.

 

[elmaco]

Big OT defensive play to take the puck from Drouin then started the rush to end with the Seguin goal.

That's a big clutch play none of the Aves have shown so far.

Blown leads the third period twice. Had a PP in OT twice. Both times losses. Rantanen is a clutch player. Aves could use him.

Dude you are on HF, do you think people here even notice those things?

 

[wayninja]

Maybe the ice is bad?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He got his big contract and forced his way to where he wanted to be and now he does not give a f***

 

[darthwispy]

Rantanen is not a center and has never succeeded as one, nor will he ever become one.

 

[Turbonium]

Dude you are on HF, do you think people here even notice those things?

Of course they notice, it's the only thing he's done in 4 games.

 

[Turbonium]

He got traded, unexpectedly by all accounts, to a team he didn't want to be a part of. Now he's with a 3rd team, trying to find his foooting a d he has to play against his original team that he never wanted to leave in the first place.

I'm not shocked that he's struggling. Doesn't mean he suddenly sucks.

If he didn't want to leave then he would be with the Avs still. He had a year to negotiate. He wanted the money, that's fine, but he doesn't get to take the money AND act like he didn't want to leave.

 

[I am not exposed]

Secret agent for Colorado?

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

If he didn't want to leave then he would be with the Avs still. He had a year to negotiate. He wanted the money, that's fine, but he doesn't get to take the money AND act like he didn't want to leave.

This. If he was being a pro-athlete wanting to maximize his monetary worth, and gets it, then play to your worth for whomever gave you that money.

 

[bleedthenorth]

lots of excuses for Rantanen. he's clearly just not that good. if he was that talented he'd be putting up big points regardless of the situation.

 

[lionsDen]

Anybody truly wanna see rants, I suggest watching games from this year as an av. I think some narratives in here are flat wrong

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Anybody truly wanna see rants, I suggest watching games from this year as an av. I think some narratives in here are flat wrong

What do you mean?

 

[TheBeard]

lots of excuses for Rantanen. he's clearly just not that good. if he was that talented he'd be putting up big points regardless of the situation.

Guy has been over PPG in every playoffs except his first, yet because he has a slow start this year on a new team he’s “not that good”.

We should rename the boards the KneeJerk Reaction Board.

 

[Avs44]

He honestly doesn't look bad to me at all...several moments last night where he showed what he can do. He had an awesome scoring chance 2 minutes into the game -- nice little one touch pass back and forth with Petrovic to set himself up for the one timer right in his wheelhouse. Those were going in in Colorado. I feel like he needs to get a goal or two to get his confidence back and get into this series (praying he doesn't). It's been a whirlwind couple months from his POV.