Where is Rantanen? Who is Rantanen? Why is Rantanen? What is Rantanen?

[jalapenoWithAnH]

I was in 5v5. You were in all strengths. Kindof supports my argument and a tthe end of the series, it was a special teams victory for Dallas or more so loss for the Avs since they were useless.

Which ever argument you think that supports is not the talking point I replied to originally. You were attacking your own strawman about McDavid as a tool to undermine Rantanen's very impactful performance. I provided stats that show Rants was impactful even when he didn't score much points (first four games). This is the reality. Whatever Makar or Lehkonen did is irrelevant since I wasn't arguing about the reasons why Avs lost.

Yes Avs mainly were the better team in that series if you look at individual stats. But this supports the argument that Rants was the deciding factor as he was, according to advanced stats and points the best player of Dallas in that series. I'd say Rants + Oettinger + PK is why Dallas won that series.

 

[BB88]

Which ever argument you think that supports is not the talking point I replied to originally. You were attacking your own strawman about McDavid as a tool to undermine Rantanen's very impactful performance. I provided stats that show Rants was impactful even when he didn't score much points (first four games). This is the reality. Whatever Makar or Lehkonen did is irrelevant since I wasn't arguing about the reasons why Avs lost.

Yes Avs mainly were the better team in that series if you look at individual stats. But this supports the argument that Rants was the deciding factor as he was, according to advanced stats and points the best player of Dallas in that series. I'd say Rants + Oettinger + PK is why Dallas won that series.

Yep

Adv stats only take you so far, otherwise Canes would be in the finals basically every year

Rants is reminding teams why you pay game breakers and if you have a chance to land one why you go all in on landing them

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

*Guy scores at a 40G / 110P pace over 90 playoff games in his career*

Wow, he sure is lucky!

 

[Bruce Granville]

Why should he?

He was even asked if he would want to talk extension before the Canes traded for him and he refused. How on earth can you take this as a sign he might want to sign there or be traded there?
Rantanen is too nice a person to blame them, but if Tulsky had read the room, he wouldn‘t have traded for him…and Rantanen would still be in Colorado, where he wanted to stay in the first place.
Two stupid GMs unleashed the angry playoff moose.

 

[Summer Rose]

*Guy scores at a 40G / 110P pace over 90 playoff games in his career*

Wow, he sure is lucky!

When you’re good enough, as Rantanen is, you can make your own luck. Sure, some of his points come from lucky goals, but that’s just a side effect of him being as good as he is. Without him, the opportunity for a puck to enter the net in a lucky manner does not exist in the first place.

 

[BB88]

When you’re good enough, as Rantanen is, you can make your own luck. Sure, some of his points come from lucky goals, but that’s just a side effect of him being as good as he is. Without him, the opportunity for a puck to enter the net in a lucky manner does not exist in the first place.

& what elite player doesn’t score lucky points?

As generational as McDavid is there’s lot of lucky goals/points in his record book

When you are dangerous and constantly creating you are getting points

 

[Troy McClure]

Jagr had a whole bunch of lucky goals. This happens when you're always all over the puck. Opportunities for favorable bounces abound for high-skilled puck possession demons.

 

[Hollowmoon]

When you are dangerous and constantly creating you are getting points

This.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Where did I say "didnt make an impact"? Dude is putting up points where the Avs didnt, but there is context behind 12 points in a series and 11 being in 3 games.. Kudos to him, but its came at the right time and a lot of convenient bounces.

I say this looking at a picture of Mikko holding my infant daughter. I am a huge Mikko fan and always will be, but call it like I see it.

1 assist in the first 4 games - series couldve and maybe shouldve been over if the Avs did anything

Game 5
2 on 1 goal he finished off good Hintz pass
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
Empty net assist where Hintz did it all

Game 6 - by far his best game
Good primary assist to Hintz
Good secondary assist to Hintz who hit Granlund breaking
Good primary assist to Hintz who sniped
Great goal

Game 7
Great snipe to get Stars within 1
Dumpy wrap around that Girard puts in
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
EN when the game was over with 3 seconds left

Was it a lot of points and clutch af? Yes, but again, game 6 was amazing and the rest was more of a team effort

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

Solid break down.

Rantanen's obviously an elite player, but his current rate of scoring is too high to be sustained. It follows that he's getting breaks and lucky bounces.

 

[GetStoned]

Over 40% of MacKinnons goals were lucky bounces or empty netters, I think those still counted. Couple of luck merchands.

 

[SavBigMoneyAtBedards]

Rantanen was at 1.3ppg this regular season in Colorado before the trade.
107pt pace.

Last 6 postseasons with Colorado:

1.27ppg (at age 27)
1.43ppg
1.25ppg (Cup win)
1.3ppg
1.4ppg
1.17ppg (at age 22)

There's no excuse for trading this guy.
And there's no way you can say "we didn't expect him to kill us in the playoffs."
He's been a beast his entire career.

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

When you’re good enough, as Rantanen is, you can make your own luck. Sure, some of his points come from lucky goals, but that’s just a side effect of him being as good as he is. Without him, the opportunity for a puck to enter the net in a lucky manner does not exist in the first place.

“The harder I practice, the luckier I get”, Gary Player, winner of 9 majors in golf

 

[coooldude]

Solid break down.

Rantanen's obviously an elite player, but his current rate of scoring is too high to be sustained. It follows that he's getting breaks and lucky bounces.

Yes, of course it's unsustainable. He already holds the record for contributing to 13 straight goals in the POs. Nobody has ever done that.

It's unsustainable, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening and it isn't extremely impressive or that it should be discounted. Nobody scoring at this rate can sustain it in the NHL. Hell, the numbers would look amazing in Juniors.

 

[BB88]

Solid break down.

Rantanen's obviously an elite player, but his current rate of scoring is too high to be sustained. It follows that he's getting breaks and lucky bounces.

Nobody expects this pace to continue, still doesn’t change the fact it was a terrible trade and even prior the stretch he was historically one of the best playoff producers

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Nobody expects this pace to continue, still doesn’t change the fact it was a terrible trade and even prior the stretch he was historically one of the best playoff producers

Never said otherwise. Just that a lot of luck plays into this current stretch which we all know to be true.

 

[Icarium]

Makar was the best player in the series then from chances and opportunities offensively, but also playing tremendous defense.

In what universe was Makar playing tremendous defense in this particular series?

 

[BB88]

Never said otherwise. Just that a lot of luck plays into this current stretch which we all know to be true.

For sure, like anyone needs who’s on a heater like this

He was also incredible puck unlucky prior to the stretch so in the end it balances it out

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Rantanen was at 1.3ppg this regular season in Colorado before the trade.
107pt pace.

Last 6 postseasons with Colorado:

1.27ppg (at age 27)
1.43ppg
1.25ppg (Cup win)
1.3ppg
1.4ppg
1.17ppg (at age 22)

There's no excuse for trading this guy.
And there's no way you can say "we didn't expect him to kill us in the playoffs."
He's been a beast his entire career.

Yeah he's always been a playoff guy to outsiders at least , I can see why Avs fans who watch him night in night out get to see his warts but he's almost always a beast in the playoffs , head scratching move considering that the avs have a squad to make the playoffs and lay out the red carpet for playoff mikko pretty much every year

 

[BB88]

Yeah he's always been a playoff guy to outsiders at least , I can see why Avs fans who watch him night in night out get to see his warts but he's almost always a beast in the playoffs , head scratching move considering that the avs have a squad to make the playoffs and lay out the red carpet for playoff mikko pretty much every year

Their explanation for it was depth and they talked about how they couldn’t get it done the last couple of years and that showing why they needed to move quality to quantity

Massive problem in their explanation was that the last 2 post season runs they were without Landeskog& Nichuskin, 2 legit 1st line talents and Rants contract played no part in that. Nichuskin missed the runs for his own actions and Landeskog due to injuries

Now imagine Colorado this year having all 3 back for their post season run for the 1st time since the Cup

Wouldn’t you say that’s improved depth and you didn’t have to move Rantanen to achieve that

In the end this looks like would you rather have

Necas and Nelson
Or

Rantanen, Mittelstad, 1st round pick+ Avs top prospect moving forward

Mind you Nelson will be 34y next season

Lehkoken- Mackinnon- Landeskog
Nichuskin- Mitt- Rantanen

 

[CupsOverCash]

Rooting for a Dallas and Carolina final.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Avalanche fans will always have the Lehkonen-Barron and Newhook fleecings to feel better about.

 

[Daishi]

Where did I say "didnt make an impact"? Dude is putting up points where the Avs didnt, but there is context behind 12 points in a series and 11 being in 3 games.. Kudos to him, but its came at the right time and a lot of convenient bounces.

I say this looking at a picture of Mikko holding my infant daughter. I am a huge Mikko fan and always will be, but call it like I see it.

1 assist in the first 4 games - series couldve and maybe shouldve been over if the Avs did anything

Game 5
2 on 1 goal he finished off good Hintz pass
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
Empty net assist where Hintz did it all

Game 6 - by far his best game
Good primary assist to Hintz
Good secondary assist to Hintz who hit Granlund breaking
Good primary assist to Hintz who sniped
Great goal

Game 7
Great snipe to get Stars within 1
Dumpy wrap around that Girard puts in
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
EN when the game was over with 3 seconds left

Was it a lot of points and clutch af? Yes, but again, game 6 was amazing and the rest was more of a team effort

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

Every great player and goal scorer gets a ton of good bounces and EN goals on the way. Ovechkin has scored nearly 10% of his goals on an empty net. How many funny bounces has he got on the way? A lot less than bad bounces actually. Even when Rantanen wasn't scoring his stats backed it up that he should have been scoring. He was just getting the bad end of variance. Then when he started getting bounces he scored even more than he should. It all averages out, but you go look at his stat totals and say yeah this guy is just really lucky. "I actually think he's great but he's also just really lucky. When he's not so lucky he's lazy. But I love Rantanen really." Pathetic gaslighting.

 

[RevengeOfTheDrai]

& what elite player doesn’t score lucky points?

As generational as McDavid is there’s lot of lucky goals/points in his record book

When you are dangerous and constantly creating you are getting points

Crosby probably has the most lucky points in history. All those goals that he scores from bad angles seem lucky but he’s been doing it for 20 years. It’s what happens when you are at the right place at the right time.

 

[RevengeOfTheDrai]

rantanen real player with brain and hands. mcdavits almost everything speed only. if mcdavits not speedet he not successing in anything. rantanen so god unbelievables

I wonder where’s Jack Hughes 150 point season if McDavid’s success is only a result of his speed. How about Necas?. Heck, Newhook is pretty fast, sign him cheap to a 10 * 8 before he starts churning out 150 pts seasons. Maybe the guy with a 100 assist season is a great passer, has great hockey IQ and on ice awareness. We’re 10 years into his career and some still haven’t watched him apparently, you’re missing out!.

 

[AvsWraith]

Rantanen was at 1.3ppg this regular season in Colorado before the trade.
107pt pace.

Last 6 postseasons with Colorado:

1.27ppg (at age 27)
1.43ppg
1.25ppg (Cup win)
1.3ppg
1.4ppg
1.17ppg (at age 22)

There's no excuse for trading this guy.
And there's no way you can say "we didn't expect him to kill us in the playoffs."
He's been a beast his entire career.

So you would trade MacKinnon or Makar then? One of them had to go because MacK makes 12.6M now, Landy's back and his 7M counts again, and in three years, Cale Makar is gonna want 15-16M per year. If you are also on the hook for whatever Mikko wanted, say it's 12M like he signed in Dallas for, then who are you populating your roster with? Keep in mind that the Avs are THE WORST team in the NHL at drafting forwards outside the top 10.

Yes, Mikko's got the production, can't be disputed, but where is the Nazem Kadri level 2C, needed to win another cup, coming from? Avs have tried many time to win playoff series with just MacK, Mikko, Landy, and Cale, and it doesn't work.