Where is Rantanen? Who is Rantanen? Why is Rantanen? What is Rantanen?

[landy]

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A player has 12 points in a series, 4 points in game 7 but he didn’t make an impact

Where did I say "didnt make an impact"? Dude is putting up points where the Avs didnt, but there is context behind 12 points in a series and 11 being in 3 games.. Kudos to him, but its came at the right time and a lot of convenient bounces.

I say this looking at a picture of Mikko holding my infant daughter. I am a huge Mikko fan and always will be, but call it like I see it.

1 assist in the first 4 games - series couldve and maybe shouldve been over if the Avs did anything

Game 5
2 on 1 goal he finished off good Hintz pass
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
Empty net assist where Hintz did it all

Game 6 - by far his best game
Good primary assist to Hintz
Good secondary assist to Hintz who hit Granlund breaking
Good primary assist to Hintz who sniped
Great goal

Game 7
Great snipe to get Stars within 1
Dumpy wrap around that Girard puts in
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
EN when the game was over with 3 seconds left

Was it a lot of points and clutch af? Yes, but again, game 6 was amazing and the rest was more of a team effort

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

 

[coooldude]

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

I hear the first part of the post and I'm a part time AVS fan who thinks they made a huge mistake not signing him, so bias is here.

But the wraparound was a great individual effort, you make your luck on a play like that. The EN was an excellent effort also, and a critical 6 on 5 defense against an excellent skill lineup from Avs. Discounting these kinds of plays is unfair to the player because it's not like he's not creating other chances that don't go in, and nobody else on the ice is racking up a bunch of empty secondary assists. He's earning the points.

For me the Avs series comes down to two things:
1. Playoff hockey is always on a knife's edge. If Makar's stick doesn't break, the Avs probably win that game and we're all arguing whether it might have been justified to go for depth instead of a huge 3.
2. As Nate said, they couldn't beat the Stars without their best player and top goalscorer, so at the end of the day, no excuses.

But to say that Rantanen was mostly lucky in this stretch so far (other than game 6) I think is unfair to the chance creation.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Where did I say "didnt make an impact"? Dude is putting up points where the Avs didnt, but there is context behind 12 points in a series and 11 being in 3 games.. Kudos to him, but its came at the right time and a lot of convenient bounces.

I say this looking at a picture of Mikko holding my infant daughter. I am a huge Mikko fan and always will be, but call it like I see it.

1 assist in the first 4 games - series couldve and maybe shouldve been over if the Avs did anything

Game 5
2 on 1 goal he finished off good Hintz pass
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
Empty net assist where Hintz did it all

Game 6 - by far his best game
Good primary assist to Hintz
Good secondary assist to Hintz who hit Granlund breaking
Good primary assist to Hintz who sniped
Great goal

Game 7
Great snipe to get Stars within 1
Dumpy wrap around that Girard puts in
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
EN when the game was over with 3 seconds left

Was it a lot of points and clutch af? Yes, but again, game 6 was amazing and the rest was more of a team effort

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

You can tell a player is doing well when people start to focus on what type of assist was he making etc. This is the same thing as Winnipeg booing him just because he is good.

You are talking about a player that has averaged 1,3 ppg in playoffs over 91 games (7th all time). Seems like this is your strawman you are attacking, did anyone actually say he is doing McDavid stuff?

Also he is leading Dallas after 10 games in high danger scoring chances (21), all scoring chances (36) and shots on goal (32). So the reality is that he had bad luck at the start of the Avs series and has constantly created dangerous situations for himself and his teammates while alot of those didn't lead to any points. He has earned his bounces.

 

[BB88]

Where did I say "didnt make an impact"? Dude is putting up points where the Avs didnt, but there is context behind 12 points in a series and 11 being in 3 games.. Kudos to him, but its came at the right time and a lot of convenient bounces.

I say this looking at a picture of Mikko holding my infant daughter. I am a huge Mikko fan and always will be, but call it like I see it.

1 assist in the first 4 games - series couldve and maybe shouldve been over if the Avs did anything

Game 5
2 on 1 goal he finished off good Hintz pass
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
Empty net assist where Hintz did it all

Game 6 - by far his best game
Good primary assist to Hintz
Good secondary assist to Hintz who hit Granlund breaking
Good primary assist to Hintz who sniped
Great goal

Game 7
Great snipe to get Stars within 1
Dumpy wrap around that Girard puts in
PP secondary assist that was all Duchene to Johnston
EN when the game was over with 3 seconds left

Was it a lot of points and clutch af? Yes, but again, game 6 was amazing and the rest was more of a team effort

Do I wish Necas did this instead? Obviously, but this was hardly McDavid taking over games and going ham where no one could stop him. It was a lot of good bounces, some great plays, and a lot of secondary/EN stuff.

Hahhahh, Rants took over the series for Dallas and ended Avs season

Avs went for the ”improved depth” and Rants reminded them what’s up

 

[landy]

100% he had record breaking or tying or whatever 3 game stretch. I just dont love the ripping of the Avs saying Rantanen destroyed them pushing the Avs/Rantanen narrative. It makes it sound like McDavid hot rodding around 4 guys over and over. Rantanen ewas clutch and got the bulk of the points, but Hintz was massive there too, two monster PP goals that were all Duchene/Johnston, etc etc etc.

 

[landy]

Hahhahh, Rants took over the series for Dallas and ended Avs season

Avs went for the ”improved depth” and Rants reminded them what’s up

Still disagree it was solely Rants but whatever. The Avs team vastly underperformed and there is a good chance the Stars win the Cup or at least get there. We can all easily agree its a woulda coulda shoulda didnt season for the Avs where they could easily be this years champs and may be the 2nd best team in the playoffs still.

 

[BB88]

Still disagree it was solely Rants but whatever. The Avs team vastly underperformed and there is a good chance the Stars win the Cup or at least get there. We can all easily agree its a woulda coulda shoulda didnt season for the Avs where they could easily be this years champs and may be the 2nd best team in the playoffs still.

Rantanen was part of 13 straight goals from Avs series to this Jets series

He was constantly setting up chances, he was constantly having chances. He’s the reason Dallas won by being the best player on the series

 

[landy]

Rantanen was part of 13 straight goals from Avs series to this Jets series

He was constantly setting up chances, he was constantly having chances. He’s the reason Dallas won by being the best player on the series

He was the best player for 3 massively important games. He did dick for the first 4.

 

[BB88]

He was the best player for 3 massively important games. He did dick for the first 4.

Wrong

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

He did dick for the first 4.

Except lead Dallas in high danger scoring chances, was second in shots on goals and was tied for most blocked shots as a forward.

These are his stats after those four games:

 

[landy]

Wrong

Right. You cant have it both ways and credit execution by referencing points then credit opportunities only when its convenient for one player. Makar was the best player in the series then from chances and opportunities offensively, but also playing tremendous defense.

 

[landy]

Except lead Dallas in high danger scoring chances, was second in shots on goals and was tied for most blocked shots as a forward.

These are his stats after those four games:

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Tell me more about how all of Dallas sucked that entire series except for one game. You can credit the Avs D or credit Rantanen only for showing up for a collective 20 min only at the perfect time.

Here is the full series. Not sure what you pulled.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Tell me more

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And ? You said he didnt do shit in those four games while he obviously did.

Here's the visual representation of those underlying stats + points:

 

[landy]

And ? You said he didnt do shit in those four games while he obviously did.

Here's the visual representation of those underlying stats + points:

I should make a mixtape of Makar shooting over the net then because it resulted in the same. Still 15th in the playoffs in SOG and 1st in attempts/blocked/misses/posts/sucks (27 blocked, 34 missed).

 

[Kranix]

Tell me more about how all of Dallas sucked that entire series except for one game. You can credit the Avs D or credit Rantanen only for showing up for a collective 20 min only at the perfect time.

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Here is the full series. Not sure what you pulled.
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what are you even arguing? Rantanen was the best Stars forward through all 7 games of round 1. It doesn't mean the Avs shot themselves in the foot by trading him, if that's what you're worried about.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

I should make a mixtape of Makar shooting over the net then because it resulted in the same. Still 15th in the playoffs in SOG and 1st in attempts/blocked/misses/posts/sucks (27 blocked, 34 missed).

You should maybe stick with your original argument that was criticized instead of deflecting.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

Here is the full series. Not sure what you pulled.
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That is not the full series and seems like a regular season stat or something. It says Rantanen had 6 points in 7 games. Rantanen had 12 points in 7 games. Not sure what YOU pulled.

 

[landy]

what are you even arguing? Rantanen was the best Stars forward through all 7 games of round 1. It doesn't mean the Avs shot themselves in the foot by trading him, if that's what you're worried about.

A. A poster changed my words to "did not make an impact" which I never said.
B. Then I posted my opinion that it was a lot of good timing in three games vs the entire series.
C. Then responding to poster saying he was impactful in the first 4 games even though he had one assist and I posted Lehkonen's superior stats and Makars million missed shots since we are now crediting impacting the play while not finishing.

He was by far the best Stars player (in 3 games) despite basically everyone but Hintz and Oettinger challenging everyone but MacKinnon for who sucks the most. It was a solid defensive series and Mikko stole it in the last 3 games and specifically 8 minute stretches in 2 of the 3 games. Lets not pretend like he was in monster moose mode for all 7 games.

 

[BB88]

Right. You cant have it both ways and credit execution by referencing points then credit opportunities only when its convenient for one player. Makar was the best player in the series then from chances and opportunities offensively, but also playing tremendous defense.

Hey, it’s okay
Sometimes we are all wrong

For example Rants had a dominating game 3 and was part of that damm important ot goal

 

[landy]

That is not the full series and seems like a regular season stat or something. It says Rantanen had 6 points in 7 games. Rantanen had 12 points in 7 games. Not sure what YOU pulled.

I was in 5v5. You were in all strengths. Kindof supports my argument and a tthe end of the series, it was a special teams victory for Dallas or more so loss for the Avs since they were useless.

 

[Kranix]

A. A poster changed my words to "did not make an impact" which I never said.
B. Then I posted my opinion that it was a lot of good timing in three games vs the entire series.
C. Then responding to poster saying he was impactful in the first 4 games even though he had one assist and I posted Lehkonen's superior stats and Makars million missed shots since we are now crediting impacting the play while not finishing.

He was by far the best Stars player (in 3 games) despite basically everyone but Hintz and Oettinger challenging everyone but MacKinnon for who sucks the most. It was a solid defensive series and Mikko stole it in the last 3 games and specifically 8 minute stretches in 2 of the 3 games. Lets not pretend like he was in monster moose mode for all 7 games.

He was the best stars forward in games 1-4. The pucks weren't going in. But how do Makar and Lehkonen's stats have anything to do with Rantanen's impact in games 1-4? He was the best Stars forward in those games. How can we not credit impact while not finishing? There's a lot of luck involved in hockey.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I hate Rantanen for being such a bitchy little diva with the Canes after we traded for him, he never even gave Carolina a chance. That said, this is exactly why Tulsky/Canes FO wanted him so badly, he has game-breaking ability (when he chooses to use it) and can really carry a team. I'm sure he'll be a bit more streaky over his career away from MacK & Makar, but still when he's on his game

 

[Kranix]

he never even gave Carolina a chance.

Why should he?

 

[NotCommitted]

100% he had record breaking or tying or whatever 3 game stretch. I just dont love the ripping of the Avs saying Rantanen destroyed them pushing the Avs/Rantanen narrative. It makes it sound like McDavid hot rodding around 4 guys over and over. Rantanen ewas clutch and got the bulk of the points, but Hintz was massive there too, two monster PP goals that were all Duchene/Johnston, etc etc etc.

Not even McDavid is ever McDaviding to the degree Rantanen is suddenly expected to do by some Avs fan (not singling you out here, you're far from the worst offender). He was career 1.25P/GP for the Avs in the playoffs and some fans are pushing the narrative if only Rantanen "showed up" for the Avs like he has for Dallas he wouldn't have been traded. Like producing in the playoffs at top5 rate was not "showing up", but he should've been scoring 2 P/GP, which not even McDavid does, his absolutely legendary run last season was 1.68P/GP.

What Rantanen is doing these playoffs so far is stuff of legends, and deserves all recognition and while there are 4 other guys on the ice, IMO Hintz or whoever doing all the great work for Rantanen holds about as true as Hyman carrying McDavid last season. I mean it's not completely false and these guys behind the superstar performances tend to not get their credit, like if Hyman doesn't do a lot of good grinding and maybe more importantly convert from all the great passes he got from McDavid, McDavid doesn't end up with the kind of production he had (Hyman scored 16 goals, a lot of those easy tap ins from McDavid). But that accounts for only like 50% of McDavid's points. Same with Rantanen this season, for every goal/point that was a good team effort there's been another which is basically Rantanen doing everything himself.

Believe me I'm about as neutral a fan as you can be regarding the whole thing and gotta admit I was probably underrating Rantanen a bit myself, but the way a lot of Avs fans did a 180 on the player got pretty ridiculous and the whole thing sort of made both the fans and org come off as entitled and spoiled, taking a player who routinely puts up >100p/82gp pace in the playoffs for granted and not appreciating what they had and even now we have a bunch of folks downplaying what he's done.

In a way it's even more of a testament to the guy he had a bit of a rough start to his post-Avs career not only in the reg season, but in the playoffs as well and despite that completely turned it around when it really mattered.

Bottom line is just a great story line and at least in the HFboards universe it's given a bit of a twist by so many Avs fans dismissing Rantanen so much post-trade. It's pretty difficult to not root for the guy at this point.

 

[M88K]

I hate Rantanen for being such a bitchy little diva with the Canes after we traded for him, he never even gave Carolina a chance. That said, this is exactly why Tulsky/Canes FO wanted him so badly, he has game-breaking ability (when he chooses to use it) and can really carry a team. I'm sure he'll be a bit more streaky over his career away from MacK & Makar, but still when he's on his game

Being completely honest I don't think he'd be this type of player in Rod's system.