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[hirawl]

All signs point that Rantanen would've taken the 11.6M that was Colorado's final offer, but they never got there. It was poor communication by both parties. Rantanen and his camp didn't take it seriously, when the Avs said that they would be exploring a trade if the deal won't get done. The Avs didn't take it seriously when Rantanen said he was willing to take a discount, and didn't convince him that the 11.6M is really the final offer and trade will go through if you don't take the deal now. Both sides are to blame here.

No they are not.

Rantanen's camp negotiated as you do. Might have played hard but business as usual. Avs' heads did not. They lowballed once and said good bye. That's a real strange way to go about negotiating with a core piece.

 

[BB88]

By all accounts they did, and the Rantanen camp didn't take it seriously. Like I said, this is on both sides. On Rantanen and his agent still thinking that this is a negotiating tactic and the Avs are not serious, and on the Avs for not being able to convince them that they were serious. The fact is, multiple reports were out there that the Avs did absolutely tell Rantanen that trade is on the table, if the deal won't get done.

You have all the insiders saying they didn’t give the ultimatum offer

They were 6 weeks from trade deadline, 6months from free agency, Rantanen walked to the office and said he’s willing to take below market value and moments later got traded

This is on the Avs, they simply didn’t want to pay him even below market value

I’m glad he’s gone, now he has to get the credit he deserves finally

 

[ijuka]

It's not revisionist history FFS

A lot of Avs fans have been down on Mikko for a few seasons now, and it's because they actually watch him play night in and night out. And while you obviously haven't, you can look up the advanced stats and see what was going on. FACT: Mikko Rantanen had regressed, and could not drive play or produce without MacKinnon. That's not an opinion, it's a straight-up fact.

Now, if that was because of coaching (like not managing his minutes properly), that's a different discussion. And we are going to have it in length and detail, if Rantanen continues to play like this, especially continuing next season. If he does that, there is going to be a giant discussion about the way Colorado handled it.

See, what you clearly don't understand is that conclusions drawn from statistics are not objective facts. They're subjective interpretations. If you have an initial opinion, it's very easy to find support for it by interpreting statistics in a certain way. This phenomenon is called confirmation bias.

Do you think it's possible that Mikko's weaker play has been because he's been made to play 24-25 per night instead of the more reasonable 20min per night? Let's assume MacKinnon handles such minutes better, and let's remember that Avs had more reasonable ice time allocation in 21-22 than more recently. If that's the case, then the issue isn't Mikko being lazy or a MacKinnon merchant, now isn't it? The issue is that he couldn't handle all the ice time he was given. Few forwards do—there's a reason ice hockey has 4 forward lines instead of 3.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Avs look silly

 

[BB88]

Avs fans don't need to try and make it look like that. You can very easily verify those claims by looking at his advanced stats from 2022-2025.

Let's make this thing clear, once and for all: Rantanen was a MacKinnon merchant, and not a play driving force in the last 3 seasons for the Avs. This is not a cope, this is not an opinion. It's a f***ing fact based on all the available metrics, and eye-test as well if you watched the games.

Now, if Rantanen returns to his pre-2022 form, we can look at Colorado and laugh and point fingers at them, because if Rantanen can continue this in Dallas then obviously the fault was in Colorado, and they made a giant mistake.

He was on track for back to back to back 100+ point seasons while being Avs best scorer in the playoffs

Oh the decline….

We can laugh at them already, they rather spend 4.5M on Manson, 5+ on Coyle than sign Rantanen. They’ve burned all their picks and prospects thanks to this season. Enjoy the depth that this trade ables you to have!!

 

[SirKillalot]

No they are not.

Rantanen's camp negotiated as you do. Might have played hard but business as usual. Avs' heads did not. They lowballed once and said good bye. That's a real strange way to go about negotiating with a core piece.

If you leave yourself in a position of might being traded because your contract is expiring after the season, they yeah, you got some blame.

More blame on the Avs management of course as they shouldn't have been so stingy with this.

 

[MillanDynasty]

If you leave yourself in a position of might being traded because your contract is expiring after the season, they yeah, you got some blame.

More blame on the Avs management of course as they shouldn't have been so stingy with this.

Blame or not, he seems to be doing just fine right now.

It's not like he ended up playing for a team where he's relied upon to be a one man show, he's got an incredible cast around him in Dallas. Deep down, would he prefer doing all this with Colorado? Probably. But he's making the most of it now.

Colorado, on the other hand, look like complete fools.

 

[BB88]

If you leave yourself in a position of might being traded because your contract is expiring after the season, they yeah, you got some blame.

More blame on the Avs management of course as they shouldn't have been so stingy with this.

Sure you can blame a player at that point if you are offering him way way below market value and not accepting

You can’t just offer anything and expect him to sign

 

[SirKillalot]

Blame or not, he seems to be doing just fine right now.

It's not like he ended up playing for a team where he's relied upon to be a one man show, he's got an incredible cast around him in Dallas. Deep down, would he prefer doing all this with Colorado? Probably. But he's making the most of it now.

Colorado, on the other hand, look like complete fools.

True, ended up in a good spot now. Think it works out well for him long term.

Sure you can blame a player at that point if you are offering him way way below market value and not accepting

You can’t just offer anything and expect him to sign

Yes, which is kind of shared blame.
There are reports the agent/Rantanen demanded more than they should.

Its both sides fault and in the end of the day, Colorado had to think about themselves long term. Show's the lack of loyalty from organizations to players. A good reminder.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Sure is a bummer he didn't want to stay in Carolina. You can see why the GM swung for him. He pouted through the 13ish games with us, but i knew he'd turn it around. I'm happy with Stank and the 2 - 1st as the attempt to recoup the loss, but it still isn't Rantanen.

 

[Grigowski]

Avs' heads did not. They lowballed once and said good bye. That's a real strange way to go about negotiating with a core piece.

That's not quite the truth

The offered 11.2, Rants and Agent were at 13-14

They went up to 11.6 and said "thats our final offer or we explore a trade".
Rants and Agent came back with 13, or MachKinnon money, and thought the AVs would bluff.

So technically, the "lowballed" him twice, if you want to see it that way.

When everything went south Rantanen himself intervened and tried to save the day because he was the one, not his agent, who recognized the "danger" is real this time and there might be no bluffing anymore. But at this moment it was done.

Its just 2 stubborn parties who did not reach a deal. If Rants wanted to stay in Denver, he could have. And i think both parties could have met at 12 mill and call it a day. But they were just 1 million apart and both to stubborn to move.

So i think everyone involved should get their fair share of blame.

At the moment the jokes are on MacFarland and Sakic anyway. More so that both of them failed to secure, that Rantanen cant be traded back into the west, let alone Central.

And it backfired in an epic way because the AVS PP and PK, in the end, f***ed up this series for them. It just happened to be Rantanen with the final dagger.

 

[BB88]

True, ended up in a good spot now. Think it works out well for him long term.

Yes, which is kind of shared blame.
There are reports the agent/Rantanen demanded more than they should.

Its both sides fault and in the end of the day, Colorado had to think about themselves long term. Show's the lack of loyalty from organizations to players. A good reminder.

If 12.5M is more than they should have then okay

That’s clearly below market value

 

[BB88]

That's not quite the truth

The offered 11.2, Rants and Agent were at 13-14

They went up to 11.6 and said "thats our final offer or we explore a trade".
Rants and Agent came back with 13, or MachKinnon money, and thought the AVs would bluff.

So technically, the "lowballed" him twice, if you want to see it that way.

When everything went south Rantanen himself intervened and tried to save the day because he was the one, not his agent, who recognized the "danger" is real this time and there might be no bluffing anymore. But at this moment it was done.

Its just 2 stubborn parties who did not reach a deal. If Rants wanted to stay in Denver, he could have. And i think both parties could have met at 12 mill and call it a day. But they were just 1 million apart and both to stubborn to move.

So i think everyone involved should get their fair share of blame.

At the moment the jokes are on MacFarland and Sakic anyway. More so that both of them failed to secure, that Rantanen cant be traded back into the west, let alone Central.

And it backfired in an epic way because the AVS PP and PK, in the end, f***ed up this series for them. It just happened to be Rantanen with the final dagger.

You know Rantanen went to the management and said he’ll accept below market value and moments later Avs traded him, that’s on the Avs

They had 6 weeks to trade deadline and 6 months to free agency. Rants was willing to take 12.5M the Avs didn’t want him

This year seriously hurt the Avs chances at winninng the Cup

 

[Fulmination]

Avs fans don't need to try and make it look like that. You can very easily verify those claims by looking at his advanced stats from 2022-2025.

Let's make this thing clear, once and for all: Rantanen was a MacKinnon merchant, and not a play driving force in the last 3 seasons for the Avs. This is not a cope, this is not an opinion. It's a f***ing fact based on all the available metrics, and eye-test as well if you watched the games.

Now, if Rantanen returns to his pre-2022 form, we can look at Colorado and laugh and point fingers at them, because if Rantanen can continue this in Dallas then obviously the fault was in Colorado, and they made a giant mistake.

Can you provide these metrics?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Can you provide these metrics?

How about some regular stats? In addition to Mikko leading the Avs forward group in scoring in the playoffs since the cup run here is the regular season breakdown.

21-22 - MacK misses 17 games and finishes with 88 points. Mikko misses 7 games and finishes with 92, full season pace would be 100 points
22-23 - MacK misses 11 games and finishes with 111 points. Mikko plays 82 and finishes with 106 points including 55 goals!
23-24 - MacK goes off for 140 points Mikko plays 80 games and scores 104 points with 42 goals
24-25 - Mikko played 49 games for the Avs and had 64 points, was pacing for 40+ goals and 107 points

Seems like he's pretty consistently a 100-110 point player with a 40+ goal floor now matter what and continues that pace in the playoffs.

Even in the shorted 20-21 season we was pacing for 104 points and 40+ goals as well. That's the most recent 338 reg season games in Colorado as well as 89 games in the playoffs (career wise) where he has been playing at 40G + 60A pace or more.

 

[bobholly39]

Big statement time:

Has any player in NHL history - ever - had a better 4 game streak in the NHL playoffs? The numbers he's posting are staggering. Have any of Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux - or anyone else, ever done something that compares?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Big statement time:

Has any player in NHL history - ever - had a better 4 game streak in the NHL playoffs? The numbers he's posting are staggering. Have any of Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux - or anyone else, ever done something that compares?

He is for sure putting up one of the best performances in history right now, no doubt about it

 

[ExarKun80]

Can you provide these metrics?

He is in full Sakic & MacFarland shill mode. He reminds me of the canuck Jimbo stants that were trying to convince people that it was the right move to let Chris Tanev go for nothing in 2020.

 

[LOFIN]

He is in full Sakic & MacFarland shill mode. He reminds me of the canuck Jimbo stants that were trying to convince people that it was the right move to let Chris Tanev go for nothing in 2020.

I hated the trade when it happened and was in the minority of Avs fans who defended Mikko and wanted to keep him. I’m just trying to give you the perspective of Avs fans and management for their reasons to make the trade.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Has a Conn Smythe winner ever played for 3 teams in the same season?

 

[bobholly39]

Has a Conn Smythe winner ever played for 3 teams in the same season?

Or even just two teams? I know it hasn't hapepned in at least 35 years. Not sure off-hand before that.

 

[wetcoast]

1 assist in 4 games and -4.

Of course the whole Dallas team doesn't score a lot, and their scoring leader is defenseman with 3 points in 4 games. Still, Rantanen is paid to be a leader, and he isn't to put it mildly.

Man this aged as well as the Mitch Marner 4 nations thread eh?

Rantanen is writing his HHOF ticket this post season.

 

[OysterForever]

No they are not.

Rantanen's camp negotiated as you do. Might have played hard but business as usual. Avs' heads did not. They lowballed once and said good bye. That's a real strange way to go about negotiating with a core piece.

Rantenen played Pawn Stars but Avs management thought they're in Shark Tank.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Man this aged as well as the Mitch Marner 4 nations thread eh?

Rantanen is writing his HHOF ticket this post season.

The OP has done the only thing possible here: made himself scarce for a while

But yeah, great to watch this story unfold. Regardless of how far the Stars go, this will definitely be one of the stories that will be remembered.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Man this aged as well as the Mitch Marner 4 nations thread eh?

Rantanen is writing his HHOF ticket this post season.

I’ve eaten so much crow here, but it isn’t sustainable! He can’t keep getting away with this!