Where does Mikko Rantanen rank all time among Colorado Avalanche Players?
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Miro4Norris
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3rd behind Sakic and MacKinnon. Makar catching up soon
Roy and forsberg say hi. Makar already ahead.
6th for me. Agreed with who is ahead of him:
MacKinnon
Sakic
Roy
Forsberg
Makar
(In no order)
Felidae
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So MacKinnon, Sakic, Forsberg and Makar are clearly ahead
I don't think there are any other defenseman with a real argument.
For goalies, I think you gotta have Roy ahead too. He played 2 less seasons than Rantanen but he won a Vezina, and another year as a finalist.
Statistically, was clearly still one of the best goalies as an Avalanche, with sv% finishes of 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10.
So among Avalanche only players I think 6th is a good spot.
If we are including the Norqidues, Stastny is a no brainer.
But then there's Michel Goulet who has very similar stat and Hart placements to Rantanen.
Goals: 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9
GPG: 3, 4, 4, 5, 6
Points: 3, 8, 8, 9
PPG: 5, 8, 8, 10, 10
Hart: 7, 10.
Goulet if I'm not mistaken, didn't play much with Stastny, and was actually known as a defensively competent winger.
Goulet might actually be the better player.. but the major knock on him is his PO stats are pretty underwhelming 64 points in 66 games. Now whether his performances were actually underwhelming I can't say, Nordiques weren't as strong of a team as Rantanen's avalanche so that may have been a factor.
But Rantanen produced at a100 point rate in the POs.. with 101 points in 81 games. Pretty significant gap, even moreso when you consider Goulet played in the 80s.
So if we're including Nordiques players, his placement only drops to 7th place..
Unless I'm missing someone
I don't think there are any other defenseman with a real argument.
For goalies, I think you gotta have Roy ahead too. He played 2 less seasons than Rantanen but he won a Vezina, and another year as a finalist.
Statistically, was clearly still one of the best goalies as an Avalanche, with sv% finishes of 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10.
So among Avalanche only players I think 6th is a good spot.
If we are including the Norqidues, Stastny is a no brainer.
But then there's Michel Goulet who has very similar stat and Hart placements to Rantanen.
Goals: 2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9
GPG: 3, 4, 4, 5, 6
Points: 3, 8, 8, 9
PPG: 5, 8, 8, 10, 10
Hart: 7, 10.
Goulet if I'm not mistaken, didn't play much with Stastny, and was actually known as a defensively competent winger.
Goulet might actually be the better player.. but the major knock on him is his PO stats are pretty underwhelming 64 points in 66 games. Now whether his performances were actually underwhelming I can't say, Nordiques weren't as strong of a team as Rantanen's avalanche so that may have been a factor.
But Rantanen produced at a100 point rate in the POs.. with 101 points in 81 games. Pretty significant gap, even moreso when you consider Goulet played in the 80s.
So if we're including Nordiques players, his placement only drops to 7th place..
Unless I'm missing someone
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is rantanen for sure better than hejduk? on raw numbers rantanen wins but hedjuk had a 50 goal season at like the height of the DPE and Rantanen has mostly played in a league w rejuvenated offensive numbers comparatively
Felidae
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There's a solid argument that Hejduk has the best goalscoring season between them. You could even argue he's the better overall goalscorer..
But Rantanen's overall production widely eclipses whatever small gap Hejduk may have in goalscoring.
Hejduk finished 4th in points once, his next best season points wise is a 21st scoring finish.
Rantanen has been a top 10 point producer for almost 5 straight seasons. missed out in 2021 where he finished 15th in points.. still better than Hejduk's 2nd most productive season.
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Assuming we’re talking purely in Colorado, I don’t think there’s any question it’s Sakic, Roy, MacKinnon, Forsberg, and Makar as their Big Five.
I think Rantanen is 6th, in his own tier of “next best”.
Then players like Landeskog, Hejduk, Tanguay, Ozolinsh, Bourque’s very short tenure, and so on follow that.
I think Rantanen is 6th, in his own tier of “next best”.
Then players like Landeskog, Hejduk, Tanguay, Ozolinsh, Bourque’s very short tenure, and so on follow that.
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Strangle
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He’s top 10, I think
I don’t think Adam Foote gets nearly enough love for what he was for those Quebec/Colorado teams
Everyone knows Rob Blake was a monster, but Foote was just an incredible defenseman, if you count playing defense as being a defenseman
I don’t think Adam Foote gets nearly enough love for what he was for those Quebec/Colorado teams
Everyone knows Rob Blake was a monster, but Foote was just an incredible defenseman, if you count playing defense as being a defenseman
Miro4Norris
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No Forsberg doesn't, compared to Rantanen he choked on playoffs (obviously he didn't really but Rantanen > Foppa ). With Makar it's fine, he'll pass soon anyways if he hasn't yet.
Canadiens Ghost
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Between 7th and 9th.
Forsberg, MacKinnon, Makar, Roy, Sakic, Stastny are locks ahead of Rantanen.
Debatable with Blake and Foote.
I might be forgetting someone...
Forsberg, MacKinnon, Makar, Roy, Sakic, Stastny are locks ahead of Rantanen.
Debatable with Blake and Foote.
I might be forgetting someone...
dirtydanglez
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I voted 5th. I'm considering Colorado only, not Nordiques.
Not necessarily in order, but maybe in order....
Sakic
Forsberg
Roy
MacKinnon
Rantanen
Makar
I have absolutely no problem with anyone swapping Makar and Rantanen. Makar is definitely a better player, I was just being a bit conservative since Rantanen has 2x as many seasons.
Not necessarily in order, but maybe in order....
Sakic
Forsberg
Roy
MacKinnon
Rantanen
Makar
I have absolutely no problem with anyone swapping Makar and Rantanen. Makar is definitely a better player, I was just being a bit conservative since Rantanen has 2x as many seasons.
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With Goulet you should also remember that he wasn't just a hockey player with a sweet mullet:
Goulet was one of the few hockey players that was actually really jacked under that hockey uniform:
Rantanen on the other hand has never been all that physically gifted and has always struggled to bulk up:
And it's not looking any better after the trade as @Murzu said he's not following the strict diet that MacKinnon put him on a few years back anymore.
Goulet in todays league with that mullet and jacked figure playing with MacKinnon and Makar would be ravishing...
I heard Forsberg sat out two playoff rounds and the Aves still won the cup. But this was the pre twitter era so no evidence exists.
koyvoo
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Is it really worth taking a shot at Swedes while making yourself look so completely foolish and clueless to everyone else in the process?
I understand there’s a rivalry, but pick your spots better.
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Makar has a Conn Smythe, a Calder, and a Norris trophy. He's easily ahead of Mikko and Hejduk. Think I'd probably have him ahead of Forsberg too, who I generally thought got a little overrated after he retired.
I'd say 7th or 8th. Very good player and incredible goal scorer but he didn't do as much off the puck as guys like Hejduk or Foote.
Makar has played more than 60 games twice. And even the peak seasons are close. In any case Makar over Forsberg is extreme. Foote was a fine defensive defenseman with many years in town, but all of the above are another tier.
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