elmaco
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But you know what i mean, compared to their playoff success you can call it domination.A team that has never won the president's trophy doesn't dominate the regular season.
But you know what i mean, compared to their playoff success you can call it domination.A team that has never won the president's trophy doesn't dominate the regular season.
Lots of overreactions here, he's not better than MacKinnon, Draisaitl or Matthews.
5th is the absolute highest you could rank him, and even then I'd still have him closer to the group of guys below him like Hughes, Miller, Crosby, Eichel and Pettersson than I would to the big 4.
If Barkov played on a Canadian team, he'd be hailed as the best player in the world. He doesn't produce as many points but he helps you win games. You want individual trophies or you want to win the Cup?
Because Matthews isn’t even a center. He’s a left wing playing out of position. Dude couldn’t distribute pucks if he was placing them on a conveyor belt.Uhm because he just scored 69 goals
Is one of the premier goal scorers most likely of all time
Why would he not be top 3?
I mean the regular season is what gets you to the playoffs is it not?
And despite what people on here say regular season numbers do matter
It's still stupid. Florida won the President's trophy when Barkov was Matthews's current age and got swept in round 2. It took a major restructuring of the roster for Florida to be an effective playoff team with Barkov on it. Putting him in the top 5 is some extreme recency bias due to team success.But you know what i mean, compared to their playoff success you can call it domination.
Correct. It's where were at right now.It's still stupid. Florida won the President's trophy when Barkov was Matthews's current age and got swept in round 2. It took a major restructuring of the roster for Florida to be an effective playoff team with Barkov on it. Putting him in the top 5 is some extreme recency bias due to team success.
I know. I think top 5 is an absolute lock. You say he's not, so who would you have ahead aside from the obvious 2-4 that's already been discussed.
Because he is extremely one dimensional and disappears in the playoffs, babyshit soft and ugly as sinUhm because he just scored 69 goals
Is one of the premier goal scorers most likely of all time
Why would he not be top 3?
Why post things like this? It just leads to pushback and greater discredit. Barkov is nowhere near the best player in the world. This wouldn't even be a conversation if not for Bobrovky saving his bacon in these finals.
Bobrovsky's putting up a first all star/Vezina/HoF performance in the finals and you'd think it was Barkov putting on the pads the way a few folks are going on about him now
Like I said upthread I treat this question as a throw everyone in the poll going into next season redraft for a single season and Barkov missing 10+ games a year for 4 straight years has him in the mix for 5th with EP40, Hughes, Aho, Echiel, Miller ect...I know. I think top 5 is an absolute lock. You say he's not, so who would you have ahead aside from the obvious 2-4 that's already been discussed.
It’s only one top 3 center season. Pay attention.
So strange how people consider him a top 3 center. Literally nothing backs that up.
Yea, Bobrovsky is unreal?You do realize you’re owning yourself and symbolizing/illustrating the point by basing alllll of this discussion on only the 3 games played in the Final vs. your Canadian team and ignoring the rest of the body of work, right?
It’s poetic.
He just had what the most dominant Selke run and is currently in the middle of the most dominating 2way playoff run we’ve seen
LOLHe just had what the most dominant Selke run and is currently in the middle of the most dominating 2way playoff run we’ve seen
Montour stepped up? Are we watching the same player? To be fair, I have not seen every Montour game.Sure that's why I said top 10 closer to 5th than 10th but I can't make the solid lock or stronger argument for 3 or 4 or maybe even 5th.
the Panthers as a whole just took the next step when they flipped tkachuk for Huberdeau and Montour really stepped up in replacement of Weegar.
I followed Montour career very closely as I had him in a keeper fantasy league and he always had the last 2 seasons potential in him.
All that being said I have no problem with people putting Barkov as high as 3 or 4 but for me the argument is stronger that he is in the mix for 5 or 6ish and the constant missing 10 games per season is the tipping point there..
I think Aho and Kopitar are still up there in the top 10 argument but sure Barkov is higher than them and Bedard is going to explode offensively as soon as next year if he gets some reasonable top line talent to play with.
McDavid, Drai/Mack even Matthews all have the more proven track record over the past 3 to 4 years.
Easy now lol
#1 if you're able to match him up against the other teams top line.
Doesn't crack top 10 if you're just stacking a scoring line.
I think that puts him in the top 4 since you can't control in game situations. I wouldn't put him over Mack/McD/Matthews
Last time the Panthers stacked a scoring line for majority of the season (at least what I can remember, 18-19 season with Barkov & Huberdeau on the 1st line), Barkov finished the season with 96 points which was good for 6th in the league (all skaters).
Limiting to centers, past 5 seasons combined he's 7th in points. Even if you drop his best point finish out and use 19-20 as cutoff, he's still 9th and he's defensively in a different league to most other centers in that top10.